"slaughter animals in a humane way"

[Santa C]

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An oxymoron...?

This statement came from my brother-in-law at the weekend. He is a veterinary surgeon and with that profession I find it quite incongruous. However, I know that's my problem as I've met, in his circle, a further five vets that eat meat and are quite happy with 'slaughter'.

I am sure that in this debate 'humane' will be reinforced - whatever that means. Let's see...

I never chest-beat on this subject - I rarely get into a discussion about it, unless pushed, and I never try forcefully to influence others. I do what I do and that is it.

Nailing my colours to the mast, I have been a vegetarian since 1984 - 40 years next May and in that time I have never knowingly eaten any meat or fish.

I drink only oat milk and eat free range eggs and organic cheese. [Unless, of course when eating out when you don't know the cheese is organic and can't be arsed/assed to ask].

So, what do you think about my opening question and please complete the poll.

I have included 'dabblers' - I haven't much time for folk who were a vegetarian for two years, a pescatarian for one year, a meat eater for 5 years and then back to a vegetarian for the last six months!

Still, I am an open minded Goon so I've given you a voting option

However, I am only really interested in the 'committed' [puts on tin helmet and flack-jacket]

Well....?



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[souphound]

If we just limit the discussion to how humans should be feeding themselves, then I would say I'm a believer in the natural order of things. Like most living things that we know about and understand, we survive and grow by consuming things other than our own species (and I'm glad you left cannibalism off the poll list!). We humans have developed ways of controlling those sources to a certain extent. But in my view, the maltreatment of anything under one's control is one step too far and that goes beyond things we consume.

Anyway, like many, if not most humans, I generally and somewhat hypocritically close my eyes and eat what's on my plate, within reason.

[Santa C]

If we just limit the discussion to how humans should be feeding themselves, then I would say I'm a believer in the natural order of things. Like most living things that we know about and understand, we survive and grow by consuming things other than our own species (and I'm glad you left cannibalism off the poll list!). We humans have developed ways of controlling those sources to a certain extent. But in my view, the maltreatment of anything under one's control is one step too far and that goes beyond things we consume.

Anyway, like many, if not most humans, I generally and somewhat hypocritically close my eyes and eat what's on my plate, within reason.

Did you vote Soupy...?



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[Rorschach]

I voted carnivore although I, like most people, am really an omnivore.

I would like to be vegetarian, mostly for political reasons, i.e. I find the way we treat animals barbaric. However, every time I've tried to be vegetarian, I've ultimately failed for various reasons, mostly bacon.

My wife and I usually only eat meat a couple of times a week and one day I swear I'm going to kick the habit.

[Jimbly]

I didnt vote. I still eat meat now and again. However most of the time we eat vegetarian dishes made at home. When on holiday we always look for vegan restaurants. Lisbon and Berlin were especially good for choices.

[The Fish]

Total carnivore. I don't like vegetables, the only ones I eat are potatoes, pulses (baked beans, kidney beans etc), onion (really only fried, maybe roasted but not raw), peppers (Jalfrezi - yes please). Tomato i'll eat in a pizza/bolognese but not raw or fried. Strangely I like tomato soup and ketchup but not juice.

[Six String]

How many humans can say they live a life that doesn’t cause the death of some animals? Just because we don’t have machines that can hear it, who’s to say carrots and leeks don’t scream when they get ripped out of the soil? It’s a slippery slope.

[souphound]

If we just limit the discussion to how humans should be feeding themselves, then I would say I'm a believer in the natural order of things. Like most living things that we know about and understand, we survive and grow by consuming things other than our own species (and I'm glad you left cannibalism off the poll list!). We humans have developed ways of controlling those sources to a certain extent. But in my view, the maltreatment of anything under one's control is one step too far and that goes beyond things we consume.

Anyway, like many, if not most humans, I generally and somewhat hypocritically close my eyes and eat what's on my plate, within reason.

Did you vote Soupy...?



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Oh. Indeed I did. I've always been a carnivore. Thus far anyway.

[souphound]

How many humans can say they live a life that doesn’t cause the death of some animals? Just because we don’t have machines that can hear it, who’s to say carrots and leeks don’t scream when they get ripped out of the soil? It’s a slippery slope.

Very close to my line of thinking. There's so much we don't know and so little we can perceive and understand.

[Samoan]

I don't see why the preference of vets comes into it. Why should they not be carnivores?
I come from 4 generations of cattle farmers on my Dad's side - one of my 4 male first cousins was the last of the incumbents. My Mum, also a country girl grew up taught to go out to the yard, choose a plump bird for supper and wring it's neck. My Dad, also one of 4 boys sometimes after school used to roam the farmland on an old pony they shared with a cat sat on it's back and 2 or 3 dogs following to pot a few of the rabbits with a clean shot who were both food & vermin, as they grazed the turnip tops which were cattle fodder.

[Santa C]

I've ultimately failed for various reasons, mostly bacon.

Pre-1984 I used to love bacon!

But I was serious squash player who wanted to get even fitter so I took up long distance running and ran up to 100 miles/160km a week when training for a marathon). Anyway, I got into vegetarianism because I didn't like the thought of chemicals that were pumped into meat.

So initially it was health reasons that got me into becoming a veggie - not the moral reasons.

However, as time past the moral reasons became stronger - I could see no point in eating animals when substitutes were just as tasty and didn't include killing a fellow animal.

Now, the smell of bacon or any other meat come to think of it, makes me feel sick.

Veg options are more than cauliflower cheese and nut roast - than gawd for my Sri Lankan origin wife....!

For what it's worth, I dislike pets but respect animals...

[Sorry Slider!]






I think I'll have a dosa for lunch...



Further reading [Dosa Food]:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dosa_(food)







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[Santa C]

I didn't vote.

There must be a voting option for you somewhere lad.

Remember the Suffragettes!




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[Santa C]

I don't see why the preference of vets comes into it. Why should they not be carnivores?

Well, the whole thing is a mystery to me.

A vet saving a lamb's life on one hand so it remains alive to go off to be slaughtered a few days later

Or anybody with a pet rabbit but eats rabbit for their dinner.

These statements might seem illogical to some. So be it - as I said earlier I am not going to fight anybody over it.

Further, I understand the rural farming line to some extent, but sorry, I don't buy into it

To me, there is no logical reason why we should eat any other animal, however nice it tastes, when there are just as tasty and more healthy alternatives.

Vegetarianism has undoubtedly got me through my cancers - I would have gone by now if I was still tucking into fried bacon!





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[Santa C]

How many humans can say they live a life that doesn’t cause the death of some animals? Just because we don’t have machines that can hear it, who’s to say carrots and leeks don’t scream when they get ripped out of the soil? It’s a slippery slope.

Very close to my line of thinking. There's so much we don't know and so little we can perceive and understand.

Yes, I take your point Les

I wear leather shoes and have got leather sofas.

I am not perfect but I feel I do my bit

I am not a fanatic, and are happy to be around and eat with meat-eaters - like all my four kids, wife and extended family [Interestingly, Mrs C's side are Tamil Hindus - a ideal based on the concept of ahimsa—non-violence and compassion towards all beings] - they love their meat and fish though! {Don't get me involved in the religion - that I am forceful about!}

I was at university with a fanatic that never wore anything leather and listen to this: would never have his photograph taken because of the meat products added to the chemicals for the developing of the film/photo process.

As I say, we all have a conscience and do what we think is right - I am not precious about it just puzzled...

Peace.


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[Santa C]

Where is solarscrote when one needs him....?!

[robertff]

Omnivore all my life, not changing anytime soon.

Come the apocalypse, which might be anytime soon the way things are going, we'll all be happy to eat anything we can get hold of.


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[Santa C]

Omnivore all my life, not changing anytime soon.


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Why am I not surprised by that dear friend

Yes, why am I not surprised by that....?

[Santa C]

Remember what John Maynard Keynes stated:

"It is better to be roughly right than precisely wrong"

[The Modernist]

How many humans can say they live a life that doesn’t cause the death of some animals? Just because we don’t have machines that can hear it, who’s to say carrots and leeks don’t scream when they get ripped out of the soil? It’s a slippery slope.

Very close to my line of thinking. There's so much we don't know and so little we can perceive and understand.

well I think we know vegetables are not sentient and don't have nervous systems like animals.

[souphound]

How many humans can say they live a life that doesn’t cause the death of some animals? Just because we don’t have machines that can hear it, who’s to say carrots and leeks don’t scream when they get ripped out of the soil? It’s a slippery slope.

Very close to my line of thinking. There's so much we don't know and so little we can perceive and understand.

well I think we know vegetables are not sentient and don't have nervous systems like animals.

But can we be 100% sure of that? https://www.bhg.com.au/indoor-plants-listen-to-music