Colin Powell RIP

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Colin Powell RIP

Postby C » 18 Oct 2021, 16:27

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58957273

Colin Powell was an iconic American success story. The child of immigrants, he became the first black man to rise to the highest positions in US military and diplomacy.
In the 1990s, Powell was one of the few American public figures with appeal that crossed political boundaries - reminiscent of General Dwight D Eisenhower after the Second World War.
Unlike Eisenhower, Powell would not ascend to the presidency - although there were abundant calls for him to run.
Those calls dwindled after the 2003 US invasion of Iraq, a decision Powell later acknowledged was a "blot" on his legacy. He had staked his reputation on the presence of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction - and his reputation suffered for it.
In his later years, Powell became a different kind of icon. His drift away from the Republican Party following Donald Trump's rise to power reflected the dwindling influence of Powell's moderate, internationalist faction within the American conservative movement.
Powell's life may be somewhat overshadowed by his cause of death, as he now ranks as the most prominent American to succumb to Covid-19.




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Re: Colin Powell RIP

Postby souphound » 18 Oct 2021, 17:15

RIP. From what I know, as limited as that may be, he seemed like a good man.
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Re: Colin Powell RIP

Postby mudshark » 18 Oct 2021, 22:55

His UN presentation on non-existing WMD's destroyed his reputation.
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Re: Colin Powell RIP

Postby Matty Red Sox » 18 Oct 2021, 23:00

mudshark wrote:His UN presentation on non-existing WMD's destroyed his reputation.

Very true... but his public condemnation of Trump did a bit to redeem him... still Iraq truly sucked.
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Re: Colin Powell RIP

Postby mudshark » 18 Oct 2021, 23:16

Not for me. I found it incredible and ridiculous and unforgivable that he let Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney etc. use him for one of the biggest lies since the Reichstag fire of 1933.
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Re: Colin Powell RIP

Postby Rorschach » 19 Oct 2021, 10:38

mudshark wrote:His UN presentation on non-existing WMD's destroyed his reputation.


And it was only because people trusted him that the threat seemed credible. I remember watching the presentation and then being shocked at journalists and politicians claiming it had convinced them. If you looked at the evidence that was presented and ignored who was presenting it there was nothing there. Just a few blurry images of trucks, which were told were carrying WMDs.
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Re: Colin Powell RIP

Postby mudshark » 19 Oct 2021, 18:07

Exactly! But I don't believe for one minute that, for example, your Tony Blair was convinced any of it was true. He was convinced there needed to be a war and he used Powell's lie to justify it, while he very well knew it was all bullshit. And not only Blair of course, but I thought I mentioned him because I always thought of him as a evil scheming little rodent.
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Re: Colin Powell RIP

Postby The Prof » 20 Oct 2021, 10:23

Not that I'm in the habit of reading George Galloway tweets, but he quoted an excerpt from Powell's biography yesterday where Powell admits carrying out brutal war crimes in Vietnam including burning down whole villages.

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Re: Colin Powell RIP

Postby Deebank » 20 Oct 2021, 11:04

As I recall, all the allies involved were somewhat surprised when no WMDs were found, Saddam never denied having them did he?
That's not to excuse anything that followed though, especially in light of the fact that one very significant near neighbour has shitloads of undeclared and illegal nuclear weaponry about which the west gives not a fuck.

The hypocrisy is staggering.
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Re: Colin Powell RIP

Postby Johnny Fartpants » 20 Oct 2021, 15:02

He didn't know how to pronounce Colin.
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Re: Colin Powell RIP

Postby Deebank » 20 Oct 2021, 17:26

I read this week that the name Nigel is extinct in the UK (well, nearly anyway). Colin (however it is pronounced) will be next, mark my words!
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Re: Colin Powell RIP

Postby Diamond Dog » 28 Oct 2021, 21:04

Deebank wrote:As I recall, all the allies involved were somewhat surprised when no WMDs were found, Saddam never denied having them did he?

Honestly?

I very doubt they even bothered looking, to be fair. It was all bollocks and they all knew it was bollocks, prior to any invasion.
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Re: Colin Powell RIP

Postby Deebank » 29 Oct 2021, 13:45

Diamond Dog wrote:
Deebank wrote:As I recall, all the allies involved were somewhat surprised when no WMDs were found, Saddam never denied having them did he?

Honestly?

I very doubt they even bothered looking, to be fair. It was all bollocks and they all knew it was bollocks, prior to any invasion.



The UN spent some considerable time looking under every pebble.
Like I say, given that Saddam had bragged about all the shit he had stashed away for years, it was a surprise when none - especially the chemical stuff - turned up.

But again, that's irrelevant when Israel has stacks of illegal nukes isn't it?
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Re: Colin Powell RIP

Postby Diamond Dog » 29 Oct 2021, 22:13

Deebank wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
Deebank wrote:As I recall, all the allies involved were somewhat surprised when no WMDs were found, Saddam never denied having them did he?

Honestly?

I very doubt they even bothered looking, to be fair. It was all bollocks and they all knew it was bollocks, prior to any invasion.



The UN spent some considerable time looking under every pebble.
Like I say, given that Saddam had bragged about all the shit he had stashed away for years, it was a surprise when none - especially the chemical stuff - turned up.

But again, that's irrelevant when Israel has stacks of illegal nukes isn't it?


The UN was completely in thrall to the US - there were some very serious pressures applied, no doubt.
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Re: Colin Powell RIP

Postby Deebank » 31 Oct 2021, 09:44

Diamond Dog wrote:
Deebank wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:Honestly?

I very doubt they even bothered looking, to be fair. It was all bollocks and they all knew it was bollocks, prior to any invasion.



The UN spent some considerable time looking under every pebble.
Like I say, given that Saddam had bragged about all the shit he had stashed away for years, it was a surprise when none - especially the chemical stuff - turned up.

But again, that's irrelevant when Israel has stacks of illegal nukes isn't it?


The UN was completely in thrall to the US - there were some very serious pressures applied, no doubt.


Pressures to find something... And they found nish

For David Kelly the pressure was literally intolerable.

I think the intelligence agencies 'knew' he had WMDs because they ensured he got them in the first place - it is a matter of record that he used them on his own people and Iran a number of times. I don't think any of that is in dispute. The surprise was that any stocks he had left had been destroyed prior to the invasion. Not something many would have expected given his track record.

But IMO not any sort of justification for an invasion anyway.
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