Chauvin verdict

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Chauvin verdict

Postby Minnie the Minx » 20 Apr 2021, 21:33

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Re: Chauvin verdict

Postby kath » 20 Apr 2021, 21:41

Minnie the Minx wrote:Anytime now.
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i am synchin right now, but i have the news muted in the background.

hope for the best, expect the worst. sigh.

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Re: Chauvin verdict

Postby Minnie the Minx » 20 Apr 2021, 21:42

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Re: Chauvin verdict

Postby der Freiherr » 20 Apr 2021, 22:02

I haven’t been following the details of the charges and thought there was an element of intent to kill, but there isn’t. The most serious charge is apparently a felony murder charge.
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Re: Chauvin verdict

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Re: Chauvin verdict

Postby Minnie the Minx » 20 Apr 2021, 22:08

Oh my god
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Re: Chauvin verdict

Postby kath » 20 Apr 2021, 22:08

holy fucque.

chauvin found guilty on all charges.

hope wins out.

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Postby Minnie the Minx » 20 Apr 2021, 22:11

I just heard offices cheering down the way :D
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Postby LMG » 20 Apr 2021, 22:16

The phrase 'dodged a bullet' springs to mind...

BBC News:

Historic verdict for Minnesota

This is the first time a white police officer has been found legally responsible for the death of a black man in custody in Minnesota's history, according to the American Civil Liberties Union.

Minnesota is no exception. Throughout the US, police officers are rarely convicted or charged over deaths in custody.
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Postby toomanyhatz » 20 Apr 2021, 22:42

Fucking thank god.

Still a long way to go, but at least we finally won one after about a million or so consecutive losses.

It only took a few dozen eyewitnesses, the majority of the country, a prosecutor that knew what the hell they were doing, and a defender that didn't.

Maybe next time it won't need to be so overwhelming.
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Re: Chauvin verdict

Postby der Freiherr » 20 Apr 2021, 22:46

toomanyhatz wrote:It only took a few dozen eyewitnesses, the majority of the country, a prosecutor that knew what the hell they were doing, and a defender that didn't.


It took a video.
No video, the cops close ranks and tell a different story, Chauvin is patrolling the streets today.
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Re: Chauvin verdict

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Postby Matt Wilson » 20 Apr 2021, 23:12

Will there be an appeal?
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Re: Chauvin verdict

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Matt Wilson wrote:Will there be an appeal?


Absolutely.
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Postby toomanyhatz » 20 Apr 2021, 23:30

Aren't they automatic in certain places with murder trials?

It will likely be shot down, right?
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Re: Chauvin verdict

Postby der Freiherr » 20 Apr 2021, 23:34

toomanyhatz wrote:Aren't they automatic in certain places with murder trials?

It will likely be shot down, right?


They’re often automatic in capital murder trials.

A criminal defendant never wants to pin hopes on appeal, the odds are always against it. I didn’t watch the trial so I don’t know what the objections were and what issues they could raise. If they were smart, the prosecution tried a very clean case and the judge sustained reasonable objections from the defense. Time will tell.
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Re: Chauvin verdict

Postby mudshark » 21 Apr 2021, 01:05

Guilty on all charges probably makes an appeal an extreme long shot. Had he been found not guilty on any of the 3 charges there would haven been an opening. Trump may pardon him in 2028.

This definitely is a (small) step forward, which is a good thing.
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Re: Chauvin verdict

Postby Rorschach » 21 Apr 2021, 07:34

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toomanyhatz wrote:It only took a few dozen eyewitnesses, the majority of the country, a prosecutor that knew what the hell they were doing, and a defender that didn't.


It took a video.
No video, the cops close ranks and tell a different story, Chauvin is patrolling the streets today.


Quite. It's incredible just how much evidence there had to be to have a chance of convicting him. It's doubtful that this set of circumstances will repeat themselves in a hurry, so I'm not expecting a sudden opening of the floodgates of justice regarding killing of black people by the police.

But it may shake the sense of immunity that men like Chauvin have had and make them think twice.
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Postby Deebank » 21 Apr 2021, 09:23

My wife and daughters got very caught up in the court case. I watched some of it.
It did seem like the proverbial open and shut case once the pulmonary expert (and others) had stated that the cause of death was asphyxia and totally ruled out any of the other factors the defence had mentioned (fentanyl, meth; carbon monoxide; heart condition; hypertension; and a benign adrenal gland tumour). But it took meticulous work from the prosecution to go through all those factors and demonstrate how and why they played no part in George Floyd's death.

I'm glad the truth won out.

RIP George Floyd.
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Re: Chauvin verdict

Postby der Freiherr » 21 Apr 2021, 13:03

Here are the jury instructions, in case anyone is interested in what the State had to prove and the bare bones law at issue in the trial.

In addition to the elements of the crimes, the State had to prove that his actions as a police officer were not justified as a use of reasonable force in either making a lawful arrest or in preventing an escape from custody.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... 192021.pdf
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