The Culture War

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Re: The Culture War

Postby jimboo » 14 Apr 2021, 17:31

It's fucking WHISKY
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Re: The Culture War

Postby mudshark » 14 Apr 2021, 18:40

It is in Scotland. But it's definitely Whiskey in the civilized world.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby mudshark » 14 Apr 2021, 19:03

I don't think Yomp is really avoiding the point Tym is trying to make, he's just not addressing it directly.
It's OK for a Scots(wo)man or somebody from Cataluna, The Moluccas, Gibraltar or Texas to think independence for his/her neck of the woods is not necessarily a bad thing. But often enough these dreams of independence are fed by populist, misleading leaders who most of the time have little intention to serve the greater good. And I think it's fair to say that that is the case in Scotland. Nationalism almost always leads to protectionism and I'm very much against that.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby KeithPratt » 14 Apr 2021, 19:22

If Scotland had history as a prosperous, independent country with a strong tradition of its own political institutions within living memory, I'd say that the independence sentiment would have far more logic to it than it does.

Why would Scotland want to disengage from a country it shares a land mass, culture and language with, where it receives a load of money that it can spend how it wants with no questions asked?

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Re: The Culture War

Postby Jimbly » 14 Apr 2021, 19:44

and aren't we grateful guv, God bless you.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby Jock » 14 Apr 2021, 19:50

KeithPratt wrote:If Scotland had history as a prosperous, independent country with a strong tradition of its own political institutions within living memory, I'd say that the independence sentiment would have far more logic to it than it does.

Why would Scotland want to disengage from a country it shares a land mass, culture and language with, where it receives a load of money that it can spend how it wants with no questions asked?

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Re: The Culture War

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Jimbly wrote:and aren't we grateful guv, God bless you.

We're well put in our place there :lol: :lol:
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Re: The Culture War

Postby Deebank » 14 Apr 2021, 19:55

KeithPratt wrote:If Scotland had history as a prosperous, independent country with a strong tradition of its own political institutions within living memory, I'd say that the independence sentiment would have far more logic to it than it does.

Why would Scotland want to disengage from a country it shares a land mass, culture and language with, where it receives a load of money that it can spend how it wants with no questions asked?


Fuck me! How quickly they forget! :lol:
It’s not about the money! It has nothing to do with logic.

It’s this kind of patronising pompous flatulence that is sealing the deal.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby Jock » 14 Apr 2021, 19:56

Deebank wrote:
KeithPratt wrote:If Scotland had history as a prosperous, independent country with a strong tradition of its own political institutions within living memory, I'd say that the independence sentiment would have far more logic to it than it does.

Why would Scotland want to disengage from a country it shares a land mass, culture and language with, where it receives a load of money that it can spend how it wants with no questions asked?


Fuck me! How quickly they forget! :lol:
It’s not about the money! It has nothing to do with logic.

It’s this kind of patronising pompous flatulence that is sealing the deal.

Exactly.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby mudshark » 14 Apr 2021, 19:58

I understand where you're coming from Deebank, but not every Englishman is a condescending prick.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby jimboo » 14 Apr 2021, 20:02

KeithPratt wrote:If Scotland had history as a prosperous, independent country with a strong tradition of its own political institutions within living memory, I'd say that the independence sentiment would have far more logic to it than it does.

Why would Scotland want to disengage from a country it shares a land mass, culture and language with, where it receives a load of money that it can spend how it wants with no questions asked?


Yeah, why would they ? It's like why would women want to vote or do man jobs? They spent centuries quite happy being the homemaker. A little bit of money to keep the old cupboards full.
I think most of Africa and the colonies should just understand that, honestly , how could they ever contemplate or even actually consider anything else but their fate being dependant on their geographical position and history dictated by another's military might .
Maybe , just maybe given the fact that the reason many see the way forward as wanting a choice between independence and being part of Europe and moving away from your daddy knows best schtick is why your extremely insensitive and flawed logic beggers belief. Patronising claptrap like your post will always rankle.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby jimboo » 14 Apr 2021, 20:02

mudshark wrote:It is in Scotland. But it's definitely Whiskey in the civilized world.


Utter bollocks barely covers the above.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby yomptepi » 14 Apr 2021, 20:10

jimboo wrote:
mudshark wrote:It is in Scotland. But it's definitely Whiskey in the civilized world.


Utter bollocks barely covers the above.


Unfortunately more and better whisky is made in other countries, and the old spelling is as antiquated as the snp's logic.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby jimboo » 14 Apr 2021, 20:12

The old spelling ?
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Re: The Culture War

Postby mudshark » 14 Apr 2021, 20:18

I don 't know what's old and what's new, but I know for a damn fact that it's Scottish Whisky and Irish Whiskey.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby jimboo » 14 Apr 2021, 20:22

I was enjoying being retired in Greece but.....
I'm awa hame boys ! Raise the banner and gather the clans.

I tell you what Yomp , let old Nippie and the snp run the UK for four years. Don't fancy that idea ? Now, how would you feel being governed that way?


For what it's worth I opposed independence for my native country but I understand why it would be appealing to many.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby jimboo » 14 Apr 2021, 20:27

mudshark wrote:I don 't know what's old and what's know, but I know for a damn fact that it's Scottish Whisky and Irish Whiskey.
Ce n'est pas des bollocks.


Yeah, you don't know why though do you?

It was to differentiate between the countries of origin. The irish originally used the correct spelling. Other countries do indeed make some fine malts but generally Scottish malts are more to my taste. No one gets near a good lagavulin for instance.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby mudshark » 14 Apr 2021, 22:32

Lagavulin! My favourite single malt without an 'e'. My (English) ex-brother-in-law and I did a pilgrimage to the Isle of Islay. We bought a bunch of different single malts: Bowmore, Laphroaig, Lagavulin. The latter is by far the best, we decided. Smokier than Smoky. Or is it Smokey?? Of course it is.

I love Scotland. Some of my best friends are Scottish. Spent a lot of time working and playing in Aberdeen, Peterhead, Fraserburgh, Montrose, Invergordon etc. etc. I seem to remember that in the heydays of North Sea Oil there was even a faction that wanted independence for Aberdeenshire, but I could be mistaken. I just loved the utter pessimism of the Aberdonians: it's shite today, it'll be worse tomorrow, let's go the casino and get shit-faced. I always wondered whether or not that attitude stemmed for the fact that that city is so utterly fucking grey. There is (was) a very interesting hotel near Aberdeen: Maryculter House. It's a re-vamped castle built by the Knights Templar somewhere in the 12th or 13th century. Very enjoyable to stay there when there's no wedding which unfortunately wasn't that often because every Aberdonian worth his tartan wanted to get married there.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby der Freiherr » 14 Apr 2021, 23:04

KeithPratt wrote:If Scotland had history as a prosperous, independent country with a strong tradition of its own political institutions within living memory, I'd say that the independence sentiment would have far more logic to it than it does.

Why would Scotland want to disengage from a country it shares a land mass, culture and language with, where it receives a load of money that it can spend how it wants with no questions asked?


There you go again, insisting that these things must be driven by logic and reason. Which isn’t to say that wanting to govern oneself is illogical.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby yomptepi » 15 Apr 2021, 08:31

jimboo wrote:I was enjoying being retired in Greece but.....
I'm awa hame boys ! Raise the banner and gather the clans.

I tell you what Yomp , let old Nippie and the snp run the UK for four years. Don't fancy that idea ? Now, how would you feel being governed that way?


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we already have a tory government.
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