The Culture War

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Re: The Culture War

Postby jimboo » 15 Apr 2021, 10:00

mudshark wrote:Lagavulin! My favourite single malt without an 'e'. My (English) ex-brother-in-law and I did a pilgrimage to the Isle of Islay. We bought a bunch of different single malts: Bowmore, Laphroaig, Lagavulin. The latter is by far the best, we decided. Smokier than Smoky. Or is it Smokey?? Of course it is.

I love Scotland. Some of my best friends are Scottish. Spent a lot of time working and playing in Aberdeen, Peterhead, Fraserburgh, Montrose, Invergordon etc. etc. I seem to remember that in the heydays of North Sea Oil there was even a faction that wanted independence for Aberdeenshire, but I could be mistaken. I just loved the utter pessimism of the Aberdonians: it's shite today, it'll be worse tomorrow, let's go the casino and get shit-faced. I always wondered whether or not that attitude stemmed for the fact that that city is so utterly fucking grey. There is (was) a very interesting hotel near Aberdeen: Maryculter House. It's a re-vamped castle built by the Knights Templar somewhere in the 12th or 13th century. Very enjoyable to stay there when there's no wedding which unfortunately wasn't that often because every Aberdonian worth his tartan wanted to get married there.


As it goes I am from Aberdeen. It is a silver city not grey, see , we can be positive.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby nathan » 15 Apr 2021, 18:31

yomptepi wrote:
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mudshark wrote:It is in Scotland. But it's definitely Whiskey in the civilized world.


Utter bollocks barely covers the above.


Unfortunately more and better whisky is made in other countries, and the old spelling is as antiquated as the snp's logic.

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The Maker's Mark spelling has always messed with me. I think it's one of the few bourbons that spells it this way?

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Re: The Culture War

Postby Diamond Dog » 15 Apr 2021, 19:09

KeithPratt wrote:If Scotland had history as a prosperous, independent country with a strong tradition of its own political institutions within living memory, I'd say that the independence sentiment would have far more logic to it than it does.

Why would Scotland want to disengage from a country it shares a land mass, culture and language with, where it receives a load of money that it can spend how it wants with no questions asked?


Probably to avoid having such as yourself continually voting for a Govt that has absolutely no idea, nor representation, of/in the country in which they live.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby Deebank » 15 Apr 2021, 19:45

Diamond Dog wrote:
KeithPratt wrote:If Scotland had history as a prosperous, independent country with a strong tradition of its own political institutions within living memory, I'd say that the independence sentiment would have far more logic to it than it does.

Why would Scotland want to disengage from a country it shares a land mass, culture and language with, where it receives a load of money that it can spend how it wants with no questions asked?


Probably to avoid having such as yourself continually voting for a Govt that has absolutely no idea, nor representation, of/in the country in which they live.


It’s like a Stalinist era Soviet argument.

“You have jobs and money! Who cares if your vote is meaningless!?”
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Re: The Culture War

Postby jimboo » 16 Apr 2021, 18:30

nathan wrote:
yomptepi wrote:
jimboo wrote:
Utter bollocks barely covers the above.


Unfortunately more and better whisky is made in other countries, and the old spelling is as antiquated as the snp's logic.

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The Maker's Mark spelling has always messed with me. I think it's one of the few bourbons that spells it this way?


Looking it up it is a tribute to their scottish- Irish heritage. Considering they both spell it differently it doesn't make much sense. Even more intriguing, the correct spelling in the American sense means it should be whisky.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby mudshark » 16 Apr 2021, 23:23

Deebank, you're right. It's a silver city. Especially when everything's wet. Which is often ;-)

Jimboo, That Makers Mark observation is interesting. Never noticed it. Then again, never have bought the stuff. What's that about the American spelling of Whisk(e)y?
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Re: The Culture War

Postby Rorschach » 17 Apr 2021, 10:38

nathan wrote:The Maker's Mark spelling has always messed with me. I think it's one of the few bourbons that spells it this way?


Nathan!

How the hell are you?
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Re: The Culture War

Postby jimboo » 17 Apr 2021, 15:28

mudshark wrote:Deebank, you're right. It's a silver city. Especially when everything's wet. Which is often ;-)

Jimboo, That Makers Mark observation is interesting. Never noticed it. Then again, never have bought the stuff. What's that about the American spelling of Whisk(e)y?


The American spelling of whisky went through a similar evolution. During the 19th century, most American distillers spelled whisky without an e.

In the late 19th century and the early part of the 20th century, Irish whiskey was second only to Canadian whisky as the best-selling whiskey in the US. It was not until after the repeal of the Volstead Act, which formally ended the American experiment with prohibition, that Scotch whisky surpassed Irish whiskey sales.

Since Irish whiskey was more popular, was considered by many to be of a higher quality than Scotch whisky and sold at a roughly 25% premium, many American distillers, tried to associate their products with Irish whiskey and adopted the Irish spelling. The practice of spelling whiskey with an e stuck, even after Irish whiskey sales declined.

For many years the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) used the historic spelling of whisky, although it now uses the American spelling in public communications. Many existing US laws, however, still preserve the historic, i.e., 19th century spelling of whisky.

The spelling of whisky is an interesting historical footnote in the evolution of the world’s whisky industry. Whether spelled with an e or without, it remains one of the world’s favorite drinks.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby Diamond Dog » 19 Apr 2021, 16:09

Christ who fucking cares about how it's fucking spelt?!!

JEEZ.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby jimboo » 19 Apr 2021, 16:17

Diamond Dog wrote:Christ who fucking cares about how it's fucking spelt?!!

JEEZ.


When you put it like that.

But it is something dear too many a Scots heart.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby harvey k-tel » 19 Apr 2021, 17:44

Diamond Dog wrote:Christ who fucking cares about how it's fucking spelt?!!

JEEZ.


It's not spelt, it's barley.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby mudshark » 19 Apr 2021, 18:10

I don't care HOW it's spelled but why it's spelled the way it is. And now I know. Thanks Jimboo.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby mudshark » 19 Apr 2021, 18:11

I don't care HOW it's spelled but why it's spelled the way it is. And now I know. Thanks Jimboo.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby yomptepi » 19 Apr 2021, 18:42

Diamond Dog wrote:Christ who fucking cares about how it's fucking spelt?!!

JEEZ.


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Re: The Culture War

Postby Diamond Dog » 19 Apr 2021, 21:02

spelt (spĕlt)
v.
A past tense and a past participle of spell.

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There you are, thickos.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby Rorschach » 20 Apr 2021, 07:37

Diamond Dog wrote:spelt (spĕlt)
v.
A past tense and a past participle of spell.

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There you are, thickos.


'Spelt' is more common in British English than American, so it's perfectly reasonable, patriotic even, for Pete to have spelt it like that (see what I did there??!!)

Similarly, burnt, learnt, spoilt, etc.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby yomptepi » 20 Apr 2021, 09:46

Rorschach wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:spelt (spĕlt)
v.
A past tense and a past participle of spell.

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There you are, thickos.


'Spelt' is more common in British English than American, so it's perfectly reasonable, patriotic even, for Pete to have spelt it like that (see what I did there??!!)

Similarly, burnt, learnt, spoilt, etc.


bad form though. I expect better from him.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby Rorschach » 20 Apr 2021, 10:30

yomptepi wrote:
bad form though. I expect better from him.


Why? Surely you've known him long enough by now.

Anyway, as our resident gammon, you should be standing up for these British-only spellings.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby yomptepi » 20 Apr 2021, 10:33

Rorschach wrote:
yomptepi wrote:
bad form though. I expect better from him.


Why? Surely you've known him long enough by now.

Anyway, as our resident gammon, you should be standing up for these British-only spellings.


I thought Toby was the resident gammon. I am not nearly right wing enough.
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Re: The Culture War

Postby Rorschach » 20 Apr 2021, 10:44

Fair point, but I'm not sure Toby's a resident. More of an ex-pat who pops back to complain about foreigners.
And you're older, shoutier and madder than him.

On the other hand you have a sense of humour...

Hmm, tricky.

Luckily, I was only gratuitously insulting you so it doesn't matter what the truth is.
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