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'off of'

Postby C » 15 Sep 2021, 17:04

'Take the spider off of my shoulder please'

'Take the spider off my shoulder please'

Well....?




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Re: 'off of'

Postby Charlie O. » 15 Sep 2021, 17:11

Don't you have anyone nearby who can remove that spider for you?
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Re: 'off of'

Postby Minnie Cheddars » 15 Sep 2021, 17:22

Charlie O. wrote:Don't you have anyone nearby who can remove that spider for you?


:lol:
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Re: 'off of'

Postby Positive Passion » 15 Sep 2021, 17:29

Get off of my cloud

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Re: 'off of'

Postby Minnie Cheddars » 15 Sep 2021, 17:29

I think the ‘off of’ is probably surplus to requirements but it is common in informal speech isn’t it? So I suppose you are asking what to write, not to say, as that would just be weird.
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Re: 'off of'

Postby Positive Passion » 15 Sep 2021, 17:40

It was hard to get the sticker off of the textured board but easy to get it off of the window.
[though “from” instead of “of” may by better].

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Re: 'off of'

Postby GoogaMooga » 15 Sep 2021, 17:47

Get up offa that thing
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Re: 'off of'

Postby C » 15 Sep 2021, 18:17

For me, the 'of' is redundant and surplus to requirements.

But apparently there is no hard and fast rule here

I would never say or write 'off of' but then again I speak the Queen's English with a BBC accent




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Re: 'off of'

Postby C » 15 Sep 2021, 18:19

Charlie O. wrote:Don't you have anyone nearby who can remove that spider for you?


Somebody had to say it Chas...!




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Re: 'off of'

Postby robertff » 15 Sep 2021, 19:13

C wrote:'Take the spider off of my shoulder please'

'Take the spider off my shoulder please'

Well....?




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The second I believe, as an Englishman.



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Re: 'off of'

Postby Charlie O. » 15 Sep 2021, 19:23

Both - the latter for the song title, the former when singing.


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Re: 'off of'

Postby Deebank » 16 Sep 2021, 09:33

A handy rule of thumb - never use unnecessary words. If the sentence works without a word, lose it.
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Re: 'off of'

Postby OUTPLAY » 16 Sep 2021, 10:52

Deebank wrote:A handy rule of thumb - never use unnecessary words. If the sentence works without a word, lose it.


Nonsense. We use lots of words that are 'unnecessary' - for emphasis, for description, for rhythm (that's why you get 'Get Off Of My Cloud', I guess). It's a personal choice.

There aren't really too many rules in the English language. Tendencies, yes.
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Re: 'off of'

Postby Deebank » 16 Sep 2021, 11:57

OUTPLAY wrote:
Deebank wrote:A handy rule of thumb - never use unnecessary words. If the sentence works without a word, lose it.


Nonsense. We use lots of words that are 'unnecessary' - for emphasis, for description, for rhythm (that's why you get 'Get Off Of My Cloud', I guess). It's a personal choice.

There aren't really too many rules in the English language. Tendencies, yes.


I think we are talking about different things. Perhaps I should have qualified - that rule is certainly used in (most types of) journalism.
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Re: 'off of'

Postby OUTPLAY » 16 Sep 2021, 12:04

Even if you're paid per word? :)
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Re: 'off of'

Postby Deebank » 16 Sep 2021, 14:42

OUTPLAY wrote:Even if you're paid per word? :)



You make a good point...

However, a decent editor would chuck any such waffle back in you face. Fortunately I haven't worked for a good editor in over a decade.
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Re: 'off of'

Postby Darkness_Fish » 16 Sep 2021, 14:58

The only time that "off of" is acceptable, as an absolute rule, is when discussing someone vaguely famous. As in "ooh, isn't that whassisface? You know, him from off of the telly".
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Re: 'off of'

Postby der Freiherr » 16 Sep 2021, 15:12

Darkness_Fish wrote:The only time that "off of" is acceptable, as an absolute rule, is when discussing someone vaguely famous. As in "ooh, isn't that whassisface? You know, him from off of the telly".



:x

I also object to DJs and other idiots saying a song was “off of” (or even “off”) a record or LP or anything else.

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Postby Jumper K » 16 Sep 2021, 15:23

der Freiherr wrote:
Darkness_Fish wrote:The only time that "off of" is acceptable, as an absolute rule, is when discussing someone vaguely famous. As in "ooh, isn't that whassisface? You know, him from off of the telly".



:x

I also object to DJs and other idiots saying a song was “off of” (or even “off”) a record or LP or anything else.

OBJECTION

Sustained!

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Re: 'off of'

Postby Minnie Cheddars » 16 Sep 2021, 15:46

What about ‘I got this recipe out of a book’ ?
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