BCB 100 - Joni Mitchell

Threads and discussion dedicated to major acts.
purgatory brite

Postby purgatory brite » 17 Jul 2006, 20:41

album Mingus

song Goodbye Porkpie Hat



no, not really.................

User avatar
Davey the Fat Boy
Posts: 24008
Joined: 05 Jan 2006, 02:55
Location: Applebees

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 17 Jul 2006, 20:47

andymacandy wrote:
Sneelock wrote:

"female Dylan" doesn't even begin to describe her, for me.


I agree-its a very simplistic comparison.
I might even go as far as to say that I think she's a much more rounded artist than Dylan, but never hit his hights.Id have a job justifying that, I admit, but it was just a feeling.


A lot of artists are more "rounded" than Dylan. Any folkie who dabbles in jazz automatically qualifies. Rickie Lee Jones, Tim Hardin, Tom Waits. All more rounded. But Dylan is still the gold standard because of the depth of his canon. I don't think the comparison does her any favors.
“Remember I have said good things about benevolent despots before.” - Jimbo

Image

User avatar
Clippernolan
Maya's Prop
Posts: 12289
Joined: 16 Jul 2003, 18:55
Location: The mangy BC hills
Contact:

Postby Clippernolan » 17 Jul 2006, 21:01

Davey The Fat Boy wrote:
andymacandy wrote:
Sneelock wrote:

"female Dylan" doesn't even begin to describe her, for me.


I agree-its a very simplistic comparison.
I might even go as far as to say that I think she's a much more rounded artist than Dylan, but never hit his hights.Id have a job justifying that, I admit, but it was just a feeling.


A lot of artists are more "rounded" than Dylan. Any folkie who dabbles in jazz automatically qualifies. Rickie Lee Jones, Tim Hardin, Tom Waits. All more rounded. But Dylan is still the gold standard because of the depth of his canon. I don't think the comparison does her any favors.


Personally, I think the only thing that makes Mitchell and Dylan similar is that they both write from literary prespectives, rather than as pop writers. You can imagine them writing songs with a typewriter, rather than by jamming.
Read my blog - The Delete Bin

Sneelock

Postby Sneelock » 17 Jul 2006, 21:06

also, they've both covered a lot of road.

User avatar
Davey the Fat Boy
Posts: 24008
Joined: 05 Jan 2006, 02:55
Location: Applebees

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 17 Jul 2006, 21:14

toomanyhatz wrote: I've said before how much I like sexual frankness in songwriters, before Joni, if a female had that quality, it was usually from on their back. Joni was the first to treat feminine sexuality as different but equal.


Hmmm...Interesting idea. I'm not sure if I buy it. Certainly Big Momma Thornton sang from a sexually aggressive POV. Even from a singer-songwriter perspective little Janis Ian predated her by releasing the single of Society's Child for the first time in 1965. Talk about sexual frankness - listen to Ian's 1967 debut album.
“Remember I have said good things about benevolent despots before.” - Jimbo

Image

User avatar
toomanyhatz
Power-mad king of the WCC
Posts: 30002
Joined: 07 Apr 2005, 00:01
Location: Just east of where Charlie Parker went to do some relaxin'

Postby toomanyhatz » 17 Jul 2006, 21:42

Davey The Fat Boy wrote:
toomanyhatz wrote: I've said before how much I like sexual frankness in songwriters, before Joni, if a female had that quality, it was usually from on their back. Joni was the first to treat feminine sexuality as different but equal.


Hmmm...Interesting idea. I'm not sure if I buy it. Certainly Big Momma Thornton sang from a sexually aggressive POV. Even from a singer-songwriter perspective little Janis Ian predated her by releasing the single of Society's Child for the first time in 1965. Talk about sexual frankness - listen to Ian's 1967 debut album.


But I'm not talking about sexual aggressiveness, I'm talking about sexual honesty with depth beyond the listeners prurient interest. Like the line in Coyote: "He picks up my scent on his fingers/While he's watching the waitresses legs." I can think of many songwriters who might have written a line that direct before 1975, and they're all male. Although I liked that Janis Ian record when you played it for me many years ago. I'll have to give it another listen.
Footy wrote:
The Who / Jimi Hendrix Experience Saville Theatre, London Jan '67
. Got Jimi's autograph after the show and went on to see him several times that year


1959 1963 1965 1966 1974 1977 1978 1981 1988 2017* 2018 2020!! 2023?

User avatar
Davey the Fat Boy
Posts: 24008
Joined: 05 Jan 2006, 02:55
Location: Applebees

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 17 Jul 2006, 22:30

toomanyhatz wrote:
Davey The Fat Boy wrote:
toomanyhatz wrote: I've said before how much I like sexual frankness in songwriters, before Joni, if a female had that quality, it was usually from on their back. Joni was the first to treat feminine sexuality as different but equal.


Hmmm...Interesting idea. I'm not sure if I buy it. Certainly Big Momma Thornton sang from a sexually aggressive POV. Even from a singer-songwriter perspective little Janis Ian predated her by releasing the single of Society's Child for the first time in 1965. Talk about sexual frankness - listen to Ian's 1967 debut album.


But I'm not talking about sexual aggressiveness, I'm talking about sexual honesty with depth beyond the listeners prurient interest. Like the line in Coyote: "He picks up my scent on his fingers/While he's watching the waitresses legs." I can think of many songwriters who might have written a line that direct before 1975, and they're all male. Although I liked that Janis Ian record when you played it for me many years ago. I'll have to give it another listen.


I'm not sue that Janis Ian wrote about it from as positive or adult a POV as Joni - at least not on her first album. But she wasn't an adult. She was a 17 year old kid writing about incest, rape, prostitution and inter-racial relationships. Gotta give her some credit for being a pioneer in terms of frankness.
“Remember I have said good things about benevolent despots before.” - Jimbo

Image

This Was
Internet Search Engine
Posts: 3401
Joined: 01 Jan 2004, 17:11

Postby This Was » 18 Jul 2006, 00:13

.
Last edited by This Was on 08 Feb 2010, 22:55, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
The Fish
Beer Battered
Posts: 13083
Joined: 24 Oct 2003, 20:04
Location: Sunny?Worthing

Postby The Fish » 18 Jul 2006, 12:50

Album: I really can't see past the peerless trio of Court & Spark, Hejira and The Hissing of Summer Lawns

Track: Just about anything from the above 3, but to give mention to a few other hidden gems.... Cactus Tree, Otis & Marlena, Sire of Sorrow, Cherokee Louise.

There's probably no bigger Joni fan than me and yet I really just don't get Blue at all.
We're way past rhubarb

User avatar
BlueMeanie
Posts: 5697
Joined: 22 Nov 2009, 11:41
Location: A place where no one says please
Contact:

Re: BCB 100 - Joni Mitchell

Postby BlueMeanie » 31 Jan 2011, 08:05

Album: Hejira

Song: Harry's House-Centerpiece (sounds like the soundtrack to a David Lynch movie)
Betty Denim wrote:The first time I saw a strange man's cock was in a queue for a Belgian breakfast buffet.

GoogaMooga wrote:I do have standards.

User avatar
Owllady
Posts: 90
Joined: 01 Jun 2012, 02:09
Location: USA

Re: BCB 100 - Joni Mitchell

Postby Owllady » 06 Jun 2012, 04:21

Can I just devolve this discussion for a moment? I love Twisted. The lyrics kill and the way she sings it is amazing. I mean the song shows off her range, and she puts such emotion into such a whack-job of a song! 8-)

User avatar
Rayge
Posts: 15377
Joined: 14 Aug 2013, 11:37
Location: Zummerzet
Contact:

Re: BCB 100 - Joni Mitchell

Postby Rayge » 14 Nov 2024, 19:19

Huge fan here, from Song to a Seagull on, I've bought everything, although I disike Blue and Mingus, and find Don Juan's Restless Daughter a difficult listen. Hejira is the peak for me.

As for song, it's too difficult. Shades of Scarlet Conquering, maybe, or Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire. Raised on Robbery never fails to cheer, and Chelsea Morning was the song that sold me on her. I was enormously impressed by her 2000 version of BothSides Now and the the reinterpreted versions of songs from Hejira and elsewhere on Travelogue
In timeless moments we live forever

You can't play a tune on an absolute

Negative Capability...when a man is capable of being in uncertainties, Mysteries, doubts, without any irritable reaching after fact & reason”


Return to “BCB 100”