Bowie vs. Dylan

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Dylan
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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan

Postby & » 11 Feb 2008, 21:49

'ALL' of Westminster wrote:*tiptoes carefully back into the discussion*

What was Dylan's drug of choice, back in the day? Dope, right? and apparently he's had periods of fairly heavy drinking, too.

A hell of a lot of amphetamines in '66, apparently. In the No Direction Home documentary, he appears terribly strung out, pale, thin, rushing way too fast for his own good. The pressures of that particular tour didn't help, I don't think, but it's quite frightening to see just how fragile he had become, all by the age of twenty five. He looks beautiful on that tour, ridiculous though that sounds, really otherwordly, spinning out all kinds of disjointed, surreal stuff out of his hat, looking as if he's going to disintegrate any moment.

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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan

Postby kath » 11 Feb 2008, 21:53

dylan.

may as well keep it simple.

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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan

Postby toomanyhatz » 11 Feb 2008, 21:54

'ALL' of Westminster wrote:Erm...I dunno where I'm going with this but I had something in mind to do with the jittery wildcat artist versus the dreaming storyteller.


Nah, I'm all for bringing up new ways to compare them- Dylan wins in practically all of them. Dylan was the "jittery wildcat" of all time in 65 & 66!! And his drug of choice was speed, though there were rumors of heroin. I don't know that I'd ever call him a dreaming storyteller. "Mr. Tambourine Man," maybe. But when Bowie goes dreamy, he talks about stuff like "tactful cactii." I think I'll take dreamy Dylan over dreamy Bowie and jittery Bob over jittery Dave!

Someone asked him if drugs inspired the writing of his songs once- he responded something along the lines of "no, but they sure kept me up to write more!" :lol:
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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan

Postby Snowdog » 11 Feb 2008, 23:35

Guy E wrote:It’s amusing to think that anyone’s opinion might be swayed in this “debate.”


Ain't that the nature of the message board beast, though?

Great post, by the way.

Not that I was swayed by it but, you know, great post.
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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan

Postby Bungo the Mungo » 30 Oct 2010, 02:22

Still some woik to do...

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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan

Postby The Modernist » 30 Oct 2010, 02:26

Dave Entertainment wrote:Still some woik to do...


Let sleeping dogs lie John. You know discussing Bowie brings out the most irrational side of the board.

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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan

Postby Bungo the Mungo » 30 Oct 2010, 02:42

Admiral G wrote:
Dave Entertainment wrote:Still some woik to do...


Let sleeping dogs lie John. You know discussing Bowie brings out the most irrational side of the board.


But - some people need educating, G!

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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan

Postby Piggly Wiggly » 30 Oct 2010, 02:53

Dave Entertainment wrote:
Admiral G wrote:
Dave Entertainment wrote:Still some woik to do...


Let sleeping dogs lie John. You know discussing Bowie brings out the most irrational side of the board.


But - some people need educating, G!


I noticed.

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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan

Postby toomanyhatz » 30 Oct 2010, 03:06

God, I love this thread- I'd forgotten how enjoyable it was to watch the anti-Dylan brigade trip over themselves trying to dispel arguments never made. :lol:
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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan

Postby der nister » 30 Oct 2010, 03:07

Dylan's peers would be

Hank Williams

Chuck Berry

maybe Van Morrison
It's kinda depressing for a music forum to be proud of not knowing musicians.

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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan

Postby Piggly Wiggly » 30 Oct 2010, 03:09

zphage wrote:Dylan's peers would be

Hank Williams

Chuck Berry

maybe Van Morrison


Fred Schneider.

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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan

Postby Count Machuki » 30 Oct 2010, 03:11

Bowie.

Dylan can't dance.
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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan

Postby der nister » 30 Oct 2010, 03:21

John San Juan wrote:
zphage wrote:Dylan's peers would be

Hank Williams

Chuck Berry

maybe Van Morrison


Fred Schneider.


Fred's fine for David, not Bob
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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan

Postby Bungo the Mungo » 30 Oct 2010, 03:39

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Well, if you regard it as an achievement, then so be it. Maybe mummy will give you a lollipop for being so clever.

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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan

Postby Matt Wilson » 30 Oct 2010, 03:48

I'd forgotten what a beating some of you took on this thread.



Good times, good times.

Let's do it again!

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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan

Postby The Red Heifer » 30 Oct 2010, 10:18

John San Juan wrote:
zphage wrote:Dylan's peers would be

Hank Williams

Chuck Berry

maybe Van Morrison


Fred Schneider.


:D

I tried reading this thread but all these Dylan fellating knobsicles sent my head fuzzy.
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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan

Postby Balboa » 30 Oct 2010, 23:05

Balboa wrote:
Bourgeois Socks wrote:Oh, how I remember falling in love with Bowie and his music.

And, oh how I remember it losing its appeal.

There is something two dimensional about it which I can't quite identify.


This is me, although there might be a little more residual goodwill for Bowie - I just can't get excited by his music any more. It's pretty easy to admire the guy, but sitting down and listening to his albums has become less and less interesting to me as I have gotten older. Don't know why - sometimes it seems a bit, dunno, style over substance.


I forgot I had said this - but, yeah, I still pretty much feel this way (save for 'Hunky Dory').
Of course, I was mostly stoned at the time.

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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan

Postby Balboa » 30 Oct 2010, 23:08

Balboa wrote:
Hugo wrote:The style-over-substance criticism is silly. As Eno once put it: "Some people say Bowie is all surface style and second-hand ideas, but that sounds like a definition of pop to me." In any case Dylan is no less of an artistic magpie or a creator of personas than Bowie. I mean, here was a middle-class Jewish guy from Minnesota calling himself Dylan, pretending to be Woody Guthrie and talking about riding the railroads like some Depression-era Okie! And that was just his first couple of records!


In my opinion - I just find something about Bowie's music that doesn't stack up for me. And I don't necessarily agree with Eno's definition of pop. Maybe it is silly, but it is the best way I can express my feelings about him (his image is really unimportant to me - and I would never call him stylish anyway).

I can't put my finger on what it is - I mean he should be a giant in music (and probably is), but his records just seem somewhat lacking in depth, or real emotion (to me anyway). I think that is what I am getting at. It doesn't feel real, or very little of it anyway.


Don't remember saying this either.
Of course, I was mostly stoned at the time.

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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan

Postby Balboa » 30 Oct 2010, 23:16

This thread is hilarious! From the start onwards!
Of course, I was mostly stoned at the time.

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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan

Postby Balboa » 30 Oct 2010, 23:37

I've just read the whole thing - apart from my own stupid quotes, there are some crackers on here.
Of course, I was mostly stoned at the time.