Bowie vs. Dylan
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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan
As Penk said at one point, there are a lot of great soundbites.
As I've said before (and as recent posts have proven) there's also a lot of bending of the truth in an effort to miscategorize other's arguments. Hilarious, really.
As I've said before (and as recent posts have proven) there's also a lot of bending of the truth in an effort to miscategorize other's arguments. Hilarious, really.
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toomanyhatz wrote:As Penk said at one point, there are a lot of great soundbites.
As I've said before (and as recent posts have proven) there's also a lot of bending of the truth in an effort to miscategorize other's arguments. Hilarious, really.
Just start at the beginning and read it through. I'm glad someone brought it back...
Of course, I was mostly stoned at the time.
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The funny stuff's great, but I really liked Quaco's post where he talks about the differences between the two artists.
It bugs me when people say these sorts of polls are unimaginative, tired, boring, etc. It's often where our best writing can be found. When you feel like you have to explain why you like something....
It bugs me when people say these sorts of polls are unimaginative, tired, boring, etc. It's often where our best writing can be found. When you feel like you have to explain why you like something....
Re: Bowie vs. Dylan
Jimmy Jazz wrote:Completely forgot about this thread. Funny yes.
Is Wilsson still the same ass as he was back then ?
No.
He's much worse.
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You guys still smarting because your hero lost in a poll?
It's delicious!
It's delicious!
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CRUSTO wrote:Jimmy Jazz wrote:Completely forgot about this thread. Funny yes.
Is Wilsson still the same ass as he was back then ?
No.
He's much worse.
What makes you say that...
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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan
Two years ago, I'd have gone with Bowie, but after a mega Dylan binge (and, finally, a realization of how good he is), I voted for Dylan.
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Dylan had the songs, Bowie had the sound. Dylan, please!
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I don't even want to talk about Bowie. This place may eventually cause me to hate him if I don't remember to tune his fans out and let his music speak for itself.
I did find much of what was said about Dylan here depressingly facile. Only leg of lamb seemed to by talking about the artist I experience.
The following quote excerpt is from a Peter Case interview. As he often does, I think Case absolutely nails what I feel about Dylan, and does so in a way that might be grounded enough to speak to some of the folks here who seem to be missing out:
http://blurt-online.com/blogs/view/6295/
Peter Case -
So I picked up the new Dylan LP at Tower on Sunset, and took it straight back home, threw it on, and was completely transfixed by "Jokerman."
The first thing that got me about it was the Sly and Robbie groove, unlike anything I'd heard before; it's not rock or reggae either, but something new, very open. As usual with a Dylan record you hear every word. He delivers that very clearly.
On first listen the song hits you with a strong sense of life, of what it's like to be alive in the world at that moment, a sense of now. The complexity, color, seductive sensual lure, sense of danger, of freedom, of possibility that one feels in the world - call it the modern world - is all communicated so vividly, that the flash of recognition I felt upon hearing it, even though I had no reasonable idea what he was on about, gave me a rush of companionship. That's the first thing about the art of his songwriting, he wins you with the representation of what it's really like to be alive. And you feel that before you understand it.
I think "Like A Rolling Stone" did that for its time. And the song "Dignity" hit me with that kind of force, when I first heard it on the radio, and had to pull the car over. It's a hugely exciting thing. I'm not sure to this day that I could say I understand the song really. But I find it really moving.
I did find much of what was said about Dylan here depressingly facile. Only leg of lamb seemed to by talking about the artist I experience.
The following quote excerpt is from a Peter Case interview. As he often does, I think Case absolutely nails what I feel about Dylan, and does so in a way that might be grounded enough to speak to some of the folks here who seem to be missing out:
http://blurt-online.com/blogs/view/6295/
Peter Case -
So I picked up the new Dylan LP at Tower on Sunset, and took it straight back home, threw it on, and was completely transfixed by "Jokerman."
The first thing that got me about it was the Sly and Robbie groove, unlike anything I'd heard before; it's not rock or reggae either, but something new, very open. As usual with a Dylan record you hear every word. He delivers that very clearly.
On first listen the song hits you with a strong sense of life, of what it's like to be alive in the world at that moment, a sense of now. The complexity, color, seductive sensual lure, sense of danger, of freedom, of possibility that one feels in the world - call it the modern world - is all communicated so vividly, that the flash of recognition I felt upon hearing it, even though I had no reasonable idea what he was on about, gave me a rush of companionship. That's the first thing about the art of his songwriting, he wins you with the representation of what it's really like to be alive. And you feel that before you understand it.
I think "Like A Rolling Stone" did that for its time. And the song "Dignity" hit me with that kind of force, when I first heard it on the radio, and had to pull the car over. It's a hugely exciting thing. I'm not sure to this day that I could say I understand the song really. But I find it really moving.
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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan
Davey Avon PattyMelt wrote:On first listen the song hits you with a strong sense of life, of what it's like to be alive in the world at that moment, a sense of now. The complexity, color, seductive sensual lure, sense of danger, of freedom, of possibility that one feels in the world - call it the modern world - is all communicated so vividly, that the flash of recognition I felt upon hearing it, even though I had no reasonable idea what he was on about, gave me a rush of companionship.
'grounded', you say?
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**YeAh WASpDoG!** wrote:Davey Avon PattyMelt wrote:On first listen the song hits you with a strong sense of life, of what it's like to be alive in the world at that moment, a sense of now. The complexity, color, seductive sensual lure, sense of danger, of freedom, of possibility that one feels in the world - call it the modern world - is all communicated so vividly, that the flash of recognition I felt upon hearing it, even though I had no reasonable idea what he was on about, gave me a rush of companionship.
'grounded', you say?
I think so.
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Re: Bowie vs. Dylan
toomanyhatz wrote:The Modernist! wrote:Heathen has more breadth of vision, a greater urgency and more intriguing playfulness than any Dylan record of the last twenty years. He's actually pushing himself to write powerful statements and surprise himself which is a bit more commendable than playing the role of the elder statesmen churning out mediocre roots music.
Please. I've heard Heathen . About as powerful as a paper cut.
It's really very boring. I don't get G's defence of it at all.
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Hey man, I voted for Bowie!
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Still some work to do....
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Viscount Jizzmark wrote:Hey man, I voted for Bowie!
Me too!
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What the fucking fuck happened here?
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Bungo the Mungo wrote:After scanning this thread it would appear that Dylan's standing among communities like ours is growing, whereas Bowie's light is dimming somewhat.
This is partly down to the fact that Dylan is more 'respectable' in the eyes of many (less flitting around from genre to genre, less posing and dressing up), and also 'cos much of his reputation lies in his ability to pen an attractive and emotive lyric - these words date less quickly than music, so ensuring a continuing adulation and word-spreading by academics who say there's something there you won't get from anyone else operating within the same field.
Serious consideration of our favourite artform has been hijacked to some extent by the literary sorts - they have something weightier to hang their claims onto, something meatier to discuss, and the idea of rock as an ephemeral thing, something to dance to, isn't even entertained. If we were able to look at the bare musical talents of both of these men, the results of this poll would be much closer.
Who said this? It's excellent stuff
Matt 'interesting' Wilson wrote:So I went from looking at the "I'm a Man" riff, to showing how the rave up was popular for awhile.
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Yes, it's very well-written BULLSHIT!
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You'd agree that Dylan is highly regarded as a lyricist? and Bowie, not so much?
Matt 'interesting' Wilson wrote:So I went from looking at the "I'm a Man" riff, to showing how the rave up was popular for awhile.