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Violin in (Jazz)Rock

Postby mudshark » 09 Jun 2024, 00:39

Was just listening to "Like Children" by Jan Hammer and Jerry Goodman. A most enjoyable album. 7 out of 10 songs are pretty darn good. The guys play all instruments themselves, and Jan proves to be a more than adequate drummer, while Jerry plays a mean guitar. Two tunes have vocals (both are on the live album "Jeff Beck and the Jan Hammer Group". Although not terrible compositions, the (fairly minimal) vocal parts destroy them. Maybe neither of them can sing or it's the production. The singer seems to be standing in a shower cabin 50 feet away from the mic screaming "CAN YOU HEAR ME???"

Anyway, listening to the album just got me thinking about the contributions to (Jazz)Rock by violinists. There's Jerry Goodman, whose contribution to the Mahavishnu sound is what makes the group interesting. The combo is at its best when Johnny Mac takes a break to have some lentil meditation soup to let Jerry & Co. do their thing. Jerry Goodman is what makes Mahavishnu Orchestra interesting, in my opinion. So, after listening to a bit of "Between Nothingness and Eternity" (I can't do the whole album in one listen) I dug up my CD of John Lee Hooker's "Free Beer & Chicken, an album that wasn't received well, but is interesting because it's different, by JLH's standards. 4 songs feature the violin, and of 2 of those songs it has the indomitable Don "Sugar Cane" Harris as the violinist, which of course leads me to MOI and Zappa. His playing on Burnt Weenie Sandwich, Weasels (one 1 song, I think) and, especially Hot Rats is absolutely astounding. On those albums The combo is at its best when Frank's off to fuck a couple of groupies on the bus and let Don & Co. do their thing. Frank was a big fan of Sugarcane, despite the fact that the latter was a drug addict for most of his adult life. There's a recording (I think it's on Lost Episodes) of Harris and Frank loosely jamming together. After a while Frank asks "are you tired? and he must have been because the session is done after the question. Zappa was, I think, the biggest proponent of putting violin into rock: Sugar Cane is, popularity-wise, small potatoes compared to Jean-Luc Ponty (King Kong), And what to think of Eddie Jobson? He joined Zappa after Roxy's break-up (apparently Procol Harum made an offer as well). Listen to FZ.s "New York" and/or 'Philly 76'; he's so much better than what Roxy's music allowed him to do.

Well, here ends my 'violin period'. The wife and I are once again going to attempt "Einstein on the Beach" from start to finish. I got it on vinyl now. Should make it doable because one of us will have to get up every 21'25".

Can you think of other memorable violin contributions?
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Re: Violin in (Jazz)Rock

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Re: Violin in (Jazz)Rock

Postby Darkness_Fish » 09 Jun 2024, 10:11

Like fast-moving clouds casting shadows against a hillside, the melody-loop shuddered with a sense of the sublime, the awful unknowable majesty of the world.

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Re: Violin in (Jazz)Rock

Postby Neige » 09 Jun 2024, 10:22

Violins - now that's my kind of topic!!

I'll start with Henry Lowther, the go-to UK session trumpeteer in London in the late sixties/early seventies.

That's him soloing on violin - not virtuosic by any means, but lovely all the same.

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Re: Violin in (Jazz)Rock

Postby Neige » 09 Jun 2024, 11:26

mudshark wrote:. Frank was a big fan of Sugarcane, despite the fact that the latter was a drug addict for most of his adult life. There's a recording (I think it's on Lost Episodes) of Harris and Frank loosely jamming together. After a while Frank asks "are you tired? and he must have been because the session is done after the question.


Are you aware of this release from last year, Muddy?

Zappa Store wrote:Funky Nothingness is the “lost album” sequel to the iconic Hot Rats (1969). Primarily recorded at The Record Plant studio (1970) containing mostly unreleased compositions & jams featuring Don “Sugarcane” Harris & newcomer Aynsley Dunbar.

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Re: Violin in (Jazz)Rock

Postby C » 09 Jun 2024, 12:54

Jean-Luc Ponty
Sugarcane Harris
Jerry Goodman
Henry Lowther
Dave Arbus
Eddie Jobson
David LaFlame
Papa John Creach
Ric Sanders
L. Shankar


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Re: Violin in (Jazz)Rock

Postby Neige » 09 Jun 2024, 13:12

Darryl Way
Graham Smith
Dave Swarbrick
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Postby C » 09 Jun 2024, 14:35

Neige wrote:Darryl Way
Graham Smith
Dave Swarbrick


Swarb?

(Jazz) Rock ?



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Re: Violin in (Jazz)Rock

Postby mudshark » 09 Jun 2024, 15:49

Neige, I once listened to Funky... in the car. Maybe I was in a bad mood or something, but I didn't think much of it. I'll give it another try.
Eddie Jobson's solo on "Black Napkins" (Philly '76) is to die for.

The "Emerald Express" on Dexys' Too-Rye-Ay is pretty fantastic too.
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Postby C » 09 Jun 2024, 16:14

I love a drop of violin me






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mudshark wrote:The "Emerald Express" on Dexys' Too-Rye-Ay is pretty fantastic too.


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Re: Violin in (Jazz)Rock

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whoops!



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Re: Violin in (Jazz)Rock

Postby C » 09 Jun 2024, 16:29

As you know Muddy the Jean-Luc solo in Zappa’s Fifty-Fifty is stunning




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Re: Violin in (Jazz)Rock

Postby Neige » 09 Jun 2024, 17:11

C wrote:
Swarb?

(Jazz) Rock ?



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Postby Neige » 09 Jun 2024, 17:18

Michal Urbaniak

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Postby frimley_greener » 09 Jun 2024, 17:57

Caravan cut some nifty tunes incorporating violin....
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Re: Violin in (Jazz)Rock

Postby Neige » 09 Jun 2024, 18:00

frimley_greener wrote:Caravan cut some nifty tunes incorporating violin....


:ugeek:

Mostly viola, actually, but good call: Geoffrey Richardson
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Re: Violin in (Jazz)Rock

Postby Neige » 09 Jun 2024, 19:00

My favourite current violin player (and fiddle picker and whistler)

Andrew Bird

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