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Vinegar Joe

Postby C » 19 May 2024, 14:19

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The recent death of John Hawken got me thinking about Vinegar Joe - a band the lad played in for a short while.

Of course, Vinegar Joe contained the more famous Elkie Brooks and Robert Palmer but, at various stages in their three album career, Keef Hartley and Steve York were also in the band.

We all know Keef, but perhaps the lesser known bassist Steve played on, amongst other things, both of the excellent Manfred Mann Chapter Three albums.

Anyway, I can't recall reading anything about VG around these parts - is it because they weren't very good...?

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Re: Vinegar Joe

Postby Walk In My Shadow » 19 May 2024, 14:31

I liked them well enough and have their three albums.

Even suggested Cherry Red to package them with live tracks. And they did!!!

But no live material.


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Re: Vinegar Joe

Postby C » 19 May 2024, 15:03

I only have one album - Six Star General

Often considered their best - do you agree?



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Re: Vinegar Joe

Postby Charlie O. » 19 May 2024, 16:26

Has anyone here heard their previous 12-piece iteration, Dada?

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Robert Palmer isn't on the album, but did join before they slimmed down to Vinegar Joe. With him they did a UK/Europe tour opening for Yes (just as The Yes Album was about to be released) and headliners Iron Butterfly.

And that's all I know.
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Re: Vinegar Joe

Postby C » 19 May 2024, 16:34

Charlie O. wrote:Has anyone here heard their previous 12-piece iteration, Dada?

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Robert Palmer isn't on the album, but did join before they slimmed down to Vinegar Joe. With him they did a UK/Europe tour opening for Yes (just as The Yes Album was about to be released) and headliners Iron Butterfly.

And that's all I know.


I heard it when it came out but can’t remember anything about it

I suppose that says something



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Re: Vinegar Joe

Postby naughty boy » 19 May 2024, 17:13

famously described by Eamonn Andrews as 'that feckin awful band'
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Re: Vinegar Joe

Postby ChrisB » 19 May 2024, 18:10

Two average vocalists, a little bit of Southern Funk from oop North, ya'll, no tunes, no future, waste of space

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Re: Vinegar Joe

Postby Neige » 19 May 2024, 18:40

ChrisB wrote:Two average vocalists, a little bit of Southern Funk from oop North, ya'll, no tunes, no future, waste of space


I have all three albums and Dada, but Chris isn't all wrong here (especially regarding the absence of memorable songs).
But both vocalists would move on to much better things better later on, especially Palmer.

Charlie O. wrote:Has anyone here heard their previous 12-piece iteration, Dada?


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Re: Vinegar Joe

Postby robertff » 19 May 2024, 19:04

ChrisB wrote:Two average vocalists, a little bit of Southern Funk from oop North, ya'll, no tunes, no future, waste of space



Sounds about right.


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Re: Vinegar Joe

Postby Charlie O. » 19 May 2024, 19:21

robertff wrote:
ChrisB wrote:Two average vocalists, a little bit of Southern Funk from oop North, ya'll, no tunes, no future, waste of space

Sounds about right.

That's about how I remember them (though it's been decades) - kind of a Delaney & Bonnie & Friends knockoff, and I was never even all that keen on the real D&B.
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Re: Vinegar Joe

Postby Darkness_Fish » 20 May 2024, 09:19

I genuinely thought that this was going to be about a Fish n' Chips shop in Bowness. That's Vinegar Jones though.
Like fast-moving clouds casting shadows against a hillside, the melody-loop shuddered with a sense of the sublime, the awful unknowable majesty of the world.

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Re: Vinegar Joe

Postby C » 20 May 2024, 09:35

Keef played tubs for a while so they couldn’t be all bad

I played Six Star last night and quite enjoyed it but as stated, nothing special

I always think of Stone the Crows in the same breath

A more robust band and Maggie Bell was a better singer than Elkie




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Re: Vinegar Joe

Postby ChrisB » 20 May 2024, 10:25

C wrote:Keef played tubs for a while so they couldn’t be all bad

I played Six Star last night and quite enjoyed it but as stated, nothing special

I always think of Stone the Crows in the same breath

A more robust band and Maggie Bell was a better singer than Elkie




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But still with the same yawn yawn " hard drinking, hard living, hard loving" vibe.

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Re: Vinegar Joe

Postby C » 20 May 2024, 11:51

ChrisB wrote:
C wrote:Keef played tubs for a while so they couldn’t be all bad

I played Six Star last night and quite enjoyed it but as stated, nothing special

I always think of Stone the Crows in the same breath

A more robust band and Maggie Bell was a better singer than Elkie




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But still with the same yawn yawn " hard drinking, hard living, hard loving" vibe.


A fair point but that ‘vibe’ applies to probably the majority of rock musicians around that time

It’s more a ‘pub rock’ sound rather than the bands’ lifestyle

For the record, I saw Stone the Crows live on 3rd January 1970, pre an electrocuted Les Harvey



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Jazz generally does have a tune but they don’t necessarily play it to you.


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