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Brand X - the band

Postby LMG » 16 May 2024, 13:59

Brand X

Jazz-rock fusion from the seventies with hints of prog here and there.

I love 'em. Got the first LP as an import (lived in the US at the time) when it came out in 1976. The rest are of high quality, which dips on the last two. Not surprisingly - Do They Hurt? and Is There Anything About? were made up from outtakes from the sessions for the fourth studio album Product.

They also reformed in later decades, but without Phil Collins. Now concluded with the sad deaths of Robin Lumley and John Goodsall in recent years.

There is a documentary film in production:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10126338/
https://brandxthemovie.com/the-film/

There is a great deal on albums one through six, plus Peel sessions:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nuclear-Burn-B ... 8WS4&psc=1
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Re: Brand X - the band

Postby C » 16 May 2024, 14:18

Nice post Chris

Yes, a very robust band and that is a good Amazon deal

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Postby C » 16 May 2024, 14:21

This is a fair point from Mandrek though in the Amazon reviews

Nitpicking, but I also find this practice irritating

It's very difficult, and almost seems ungrateful to criticise this box set of Brand X's Charisma releases, because it's full marks to whoever thought it was a good idea to release this set at an affordable price equivalent to a 60% or so discount against the set if bought individually; but "nil pois" to whoever thought that spreading six albums and then some bonus tracks across 4 CDs was a good idea. When I was growing up [and I know kids of today are different but this isn't aimed at kids it's for fogeys like me] an album was something you listened to end-to-end pausing only to turn it over after the first twenty of so minutes: it had a beginning, an intermission and an end. It wasn't something you listened to with some other stuff dotted around it (in this context disc three in this set takes the prize with one track from "Moroccan Roll", one bonus track, the whole of "Masques" and two from "Product"!).





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Postby Hugh » 16 May 2024, 14:31

I saw them on the Masques tour with Peter Hammill supporting. Ticket sales were poor so they gave them away via the local Virgin record shop.

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Postby C » 16 May 2024, 14:40

Hugh wrote:I saw them on the Masques tour with Peter Hammill supporting. Ticket sales were poor so they gave them away via the local Virgin record shop.


Sssh! Don't tell Chris

[the lad’s a big fan of both!]




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Postby The Slider » 16 May 2024, 14:43

The Sun in the NIght, off Moroccan Roll, is my favourite Phil Collins vocal track ever.
Carry on.

Love the first one
Enjoy the second and fourth
Third - and the live one - are ok
The two outtakes ones I have never really spent enough time with to form a proper opinion.
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Re: Brand X - the band

Postby robertff » 16 May 2024, 15:18

Got four of their albums, all bought cheaply but they don't do a great deal for me, okay now and again.


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Postby LMG » 16 May 2024, 16:07

C wrote:This is a fair point from Mandrek though in the Amazon reviews

Nitpicking, but I also find this practice irritating

It's very difficult, and almost seems ungrateful to criticise this box set of Brand X's Charisma releases, because it's full marks to whoever thought it was a good idea to release this set at an affordable price equivalent to a 60% or so discount against the set if bought individually; but "nil pois" to whoever thought that spreading six albums and then some bonus tracks across 4 CDs was a good idea. When I was growing up [and I know kids of today are different but this isn't aimed at kids it's for fogeys like me] an album was something you listened to end-to-end pausing only to turn it over after the first twenty of so minutes: it had a beginning, an intermission and an end. It wasn't something you listened to with some other stuff dotted around it (in this context disc three in this set takes the prize with one track from "Moroccan Roll", one bonus track, the whole of "Masques" and two from "Product"!).


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That, as you say C, is a fair point.

In its favour, three of the albums are presented intact and their entirety on their relevant CD. The other three are split across CDs, with one or two tracks on the adjoining disc.

Apart from the first, I do not know the albums well, so it does not bother me much. Also, there is a uniformity of sound which makes this less jarring than it might have been.

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Postby The Slider » 16 May 2024, 17:27

I did buy this set about five years ago. It is a bloody mess but...

If such things bothered a fellow, he might burn them to cd-rs in their correct form
I have them thus, all nestled on my hard drive in handy Mp3 format - as God intended

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Postby C » 16 May 2024, 20:27

The Slider wrote:If such things bothered a fellow, he might burn them to cd-rs in their correct form
I have them thus, all nestled on my hard drive in handy Mp3 format - as God intended


oooof lad

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Postby The Slider » 17 May 2024, 08:13

LMG wrote:There is a documentary film in production:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10126338/
https://brandxthemovie.com/the-film/



"In the 1970s, Brand X were: bassist Percy Jones, guitarist John Goodsall, keyboard man Robin Lumley, and percussionist Morris Pert, along with a handful of consecutive session drummers. Their hit single “Don’t Make Waves” sung from the back of the drum kit as a one-off vocal track by one young energetic Phil Collins (a Brand X regular) even made it into the British Charts. "

Hmmm
This does not fill me with confidence.

a) Collins was the founding drummer and plays on the first and second albums, and half of both the live and fourth.

b) Don't Make Waves - if it was indeed issued as a single - did not trouble the charts

c) It was certainly not a one-off vocal track. Soho is on the same album.
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Re: Brand X - the band

Postby Neil Jung » 17 May 2024, 08:41

I bought the first 4 and acquired 2 more (Masques, Do They Hurt?) cheaply much later on but no longer have those because they were poor.
I saw them at The Venue in Victoria supporting Bruford but it was probably towards the end and I did not enjoy them at all. Too much funky bass iirc.
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Postby The Slider » 17 May 2024, 08:49

Masques is the third
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Postby Hugh » 17 May 2024, 10:08

The Slider wrote:Masques is the third



And is not poor.

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Postby The Slider » 17 May 2024, 10:10

I am, as I type, uploading the Brand X catalogue - properly foldered and annotated - to TWFNO's Dropbox.
You may enjoy it if you care to.
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Postby C » 17 May 2024, 10:27

Hugh wrote:
The Slider wrote:Masques is the third



And is not poor.


Agreed.

I prefer the debut though...





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Re: Brand X - the band

Postby Hightea » 18 May 2024, 21:44

Nice thanks C.

Major fan of Brand X since the mid 70's
Love the first three albums and Product has it's moments.
Love the live album too. Percy and his fretless pass are always amazing.
Saw them twice in the 70's and few times since.

Little hightea story - saw Brand X open for John McLaughlin in 79 and John Goodsall wasn't there. I thought I remembered that Alan Holdsworth came on to join them for a song or two but wasn't sure. So when I saw them in 2018 I met the manager and he introduced me to Percy after the show and I asked him. He laugh and said no they played without John and that he was nervous playing to a McLaughlin audience without a guitarist. John over heard the conversation and came over and said you had to talk about the one show I didn't play. Talked to them for a while cool guys.

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Postby Six String » 19 May 2024, 02:33

I have their first two albums which I like a lot but haven’t played in years tbh. Never saw them live.
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Postby Neige » 19 May 2024, 10:10

Great fan of Malaga Virgen (on Moroccan Roll), a real tour-de-force for Percy and Phil, otherwise don't remember a thing in spite of owning several albums.
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Postby C » 19 May 2024, 10:21

Hightea wrote:
Major fan of Brand X since the mid 70's
Love the first three albums and Product has it's moments.
Love the live album too. Percy and his fretless pass are always amazing.
Saw them twice in the 70's and few times since.

Little hightea story - saw Brand X open for John McLaughlin in 79 and John Goodsall wasn't there. I thought I remembered that Alan Holdsworth came on to join them for a song or two but wasn't sure. So when I saw them in 2018 I met the manager and he introduced me to Percy after the show and I asked him. He laugh and said no they played without John and that he was nervous playing to a McLaughlin audience without a guitarist. John over heard the conversation and came over and said you had to talk about the one show I didn't play. Talked to them for a while cool guys.

John and Percy
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Brand X - 2018

Great stuff Steve!



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