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Re: JSL: Wayne Shorter, Sunday 9th June @ 8pm

Postby Spock! » 09 Jun 2024, 20:10

LMG wrote:Hello guys.

Jazztastic!

To absent friends.

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Re: JSL: Wayne Shorter, Sunday 9th June @ 8pm

Postby C » 09 Jun 2024, 20:11

Spock! wrote:
C wrote:A lovely album this John - have got it?


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Yes.





A surprisingly late purchase of such an epochal album, considering how many other jazz albums I'd got before this.


Better late than never lad

Yes, better late than never!




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Re: JSL: Wayne Shorter, Sunday 9th June @ 8pm

Postby C » 09 Jun 2024, 20:12

Chris, I think it’s you up next - isn’t it?

Brilliant blowing from Wayne

Foot tappin’
Head noddin’

Lovely


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NMB wrote:I much prefer tuneless twaddle to tuneful twaddle.

Jazz generally does have a tune but they don’t necessarily play it to you.

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Re: JSL: Wayne Shorter, Sunday 9th June @ 8pm

Postby C » 09 Jun 2024, 20:16

I played Night Dreamer earlier today with a quintet of trumpeter Lee Morgan, pianist McCoy Tyner, bassist Reggie Workman and drummer Elvin Jones

That’s a tremendous album too




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Jazz generally does have a tune but they don’t necessarily play it to you.

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Re: JSL: Wayne Shorter, Sunday 9th June @ 8pm

Postby C » 09 Jun 2024, 20:17

Gorgeous piano



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Re: JSL: Wayne Shorter, Sunday 9th June @ 8pm

Postby Spock! » 09 Jun 2024, 20:17

C wrote:Chris, I think it’s you up next - isn’t it?

Brilliant blowing from Wayne

Foot tappin’
Head noddin’

Lovely


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Brilliant from all of them - it's the support they give each other/the pieces, and the exploration when soloing.
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Re: JSL: Wayne Shorter, Sunday 9th June @ 8pm

Postby LMG » 09 Jun 2024, 20:18

I had real issues with the RVG remaster of this album. I was trying to track down the earlier Ron Somebody mastering when a vinyl edition came my way.

I diligently listened to that and still did not take to it.

Can't think what I was thinking. Listening to the RVG version on spotify. Sounds fine. Deep, bold, full of music.

This was 14-15 years ago. Maybe my ears have changed. Maybe my jazz appreciation has matured.

I do recall the horns sounding far too shrill to me. But that is partially the sound of the musicians. Also, they certainly don't sound shrill now.

Who knows. The Past is another country.

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Re: JSL: Wayne Shorter, Sunday 9th June @ 8pm

Postby Spock! » 09 Jun 2024, 20:20

C wrote:I played Night Dreamer earlier today with a quintet of trumpeter Lee Morgan, pianist McCoy Tyner, bassist Reggie Workman and drummer Elvin Jones

That’s a tremendous album too




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Yes, excellent album. Morgan has a different vibe than that taken by Hubbard here - brasher.
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Re: JSL: Wayne Shorter, Sunday 9th June @ 8pm

Postby C » 09 Jun 2024, 20:20

From Wiki

The album is generally regarded as one of Shorter's finest, and also a highlight of the Blue Note catalogue. The Penguin Guide to Jazz selected this album as part of its suggested "Core Collection" calling it "by far Shorter's most satisfying record". Murray Horwitz stated in 2001 that "Speak No Evil is sort of a consolidation of Wayne Shorter's compositional excellence. It's so thorough and consistent and wide-ranging. It's almost a manifesto for his ideas. Those ideas were new 40 years ago, but they're still fresh today." Rough Guide author Ian Carr wrote it is "a classic album in terms of both composition and improvisation, and has been inspirational for many musicians". New York Times critic Ben Ratliff included the album in his publication Jazz: A Critic's Guide to the 100 Most Important Recordings stating that it offers "the first taste of a gnomic compositional style that would haunt jazz forevermore. [...] Just about everybody playing jazz born in the 1950s and after accepts it as a foundation."





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Re: JSL: Wayne Shorter, Sunday 9th June @ 8pm

Postby C » 09 Jun 2024, 20:22

Spock! wrote:
C wrote:I played Night Dreamer earlier today with a quintet of trumpeter Lee Morgan, pianist McCoy Tyner, bassist Reggie Workman and drummer Elvin Jones

That’s a tremendous album too




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Yes, excellent album. Morgan has a different vibe than that taken by Hubbard here - brasher.


Agreed - I prefer Morgan’s style but Freddie fits perfectly

This album is put on a pedestal, and of course it is excellent, but I personally rate 2 or 3 just as high - the aforementioned and Adam’s Apple immediately come to mind





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Jazz generally does have a tune but they don’t necessarily play it to you.

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Re: JSL: Wayne Shorter, Sunday 9th June @ 8pm

Postby LMG » 09 Jun 2024, 20:24

C wrote:
LMG wrote:Hello guys.

Jazztastic!

To absent friends.

*chink*


Hi Chris and a warm welcome

We’ve just started track 2 if that helps



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Thanks.

I usually fire up the stereo on time with my phone using spotify.

Then comes the arduous task of making my first post of the evening on BCB using my laptop or tablet.

Not sure why, but each time I post I have to review 'new posts made recently, you may want to review your post in light of this'. Other sites have cried out for a function to disable this useless facility.

To no avail.

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Re: JSL: Wayne Shorter, Sunday 9th June @ 8pm

Postby Spock! » 09 Jun 2024, 20:25

C wrote:From Wiki

The album is generally regarded as one of Shorter's finest, and also a highlight of the Blue Note catalogue. The Penguin Guide to Jazz selected this album as part of its suggested "Core Collection" calling it "by far Shorter's most satisfying record". Murray Horwitz stated in 2001 that "Speak No Evil is sort of a consolidation of Wayne Shorter's compositional excellence. It's so thorough and consistent and wide-ranging. It's almost a manifesto for his ideas. Those ideas were new 40 years ago, but they're still fresh today." Rough Guide author Ian Carr wrote it is "a classic album in terms of both composition and improvisation, and has been inspirational for many musicians". New York Times critic Ben Ratliff included the album in his publication Jazz: A Critic's Guide to the 100 Most Important Recordings stating that it offers "the first taste of a gnomic compositional style that would haunt jazz forevermore. [...] Just about everybody playing jazz born in the 1950s and after accepts it as a foundation."





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Gnomic seems to have crept into my consciousness recently - think this is the fourth time I've read/heard it in as many days.


Seems a solid wiki entry.
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Re: JSL: Wayne Shorter, Sunday 9th June @ 8pm

Postby C » 09 Jun 2024, 20:26

Great great sax playing

The band fell together so well - spontaneous combustion!

Bouncebouncebounce





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Re: JSL: Wayne Shorter, Sunday 9th June @ 8pm

Postby C » 09 Jun 2024, 20:27

LMG wrote:
C wrote:
LMG wrote:Hello guys.

Jazztastic!

To absent friends.

*chink*


Hi Chris and a warm welcome

We’ve just started track 2 if that helps



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Thanks.

I usually fire up the stereo on time with my phone using spotify.

Then comes the arduous task of making my first post of the evening on BCB using my laptop or tablet.

Not sure why, but each time I post I have to review 'new posts made recently, you may want to review your post in light of this'. Other sites have cried out for a function to disable this useless facility.

To no avail.


Where’s the Jethro lad when you need him?

Does anybody know how is doing etc?

Facebook?




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NMB wrote:I much prefer tuneless twaddle to tuneful twaddle.

Jazz generally does have a tune but they don’t necessarily play it to you.

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Re: JSL: Wayne Shorter, Sunday 9th June @ 8pm

Postby LMG » 09 Jun 2024, 20:28

C wrote:Chris, I think it’s you up next - isn’t it?

Brilliant blowing from Wayne

Foot tappin’
Head noddin’

Lovely


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I will select early this week.

More Blue Note? ECM?

I have a gem I got recently I may surprise you with.

To be revealed in due course.

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Re: JSL: Wayne Shorter, Sunday 9th June @ 8pm

Postby Spock! » 09 Jun 2024, 20:28

C wrote:
Spock! wrote:
C wrote:I played Night Dreamer earlier today with a quintet of trumpeter Lee Morgan, pianist McCoy Tyner, bassist Reggie Workman and drummer Elvin Jones

That’s a tremendous album too




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Yes, excellent album. Morgan has a different vibe than that taken by Hubbard here - brasher.


Agreed - I prefer Morgan’s style but Freddie fits perfectly

This album is put on a pedestal, and of course it is excellent, but I personally rate 2 or 3 just as high - the aforementioned and Adam’s Apple immediately come to mind





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It was a remarkably productive time for Wayne and his chosen players - I really enjoy The Soothsayer as well as those you refer too.
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Re: JSL: Wayne Shorter, Sunday 9th June @ 8pm

Postby Spock! » 09 Jun 2024, 20:29

LMG wrote:
C wrote:Chris, I think it’s you up next - isn’t it?

Brilliant blowing from Wayne

Foot tappin’
Head noddin’

Lovely


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I will select early this week.

More Blue Note? ECM?

I have a gem I got recently I may surprise you with.

To be revealed in due course.






Go for the surprising gem!
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Re: JSL: Wayne Shorter, Sunday 9th June @ 8pm

Postby LMG » 09 Jun 2024, 20:30

C wrote:
LMG wrote:
C wrote:
Hi Chris and a warm welcome

We’ve just started track 2 if that helps



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Thanks.

I usually fire up the stereo on time with my phone using spotify.

Then comes the arduous task of making my first post of the evening on BCB using my laptop or tablet.

Not sure why, but each time I post I have to review 'new posts made recently, you may want to review your post in light of this'. Other sites have cried out for a function to disable this useless facility.

To no avail.


Where’s the Jethro lad when you need him?

Does anybody know how is doing etc?

Facebook?




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To be clear, it is a feature of all message boards of this type.

I don't think Jethro could do anything.

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Re: JSL: Wayne Shorter, Sunday 9th June @ 8pm

Postby C » 09 Jun 2024, 20:32

Spock! wrote:

Gnomic.


Something to do with gnomes

We have three around our tiny pond

I built the pond when the boys were tiny to attract the frogs - which it did

Trouble is they weren’t as interested as their dad and then a few years later they buggered off on mass

We still see the occasional one or two but no regular frog spawn




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NMB wrote:I much prefer tuneless twaddle to tuneful twaddle.

Jazz generally does have a tune but they don’t necessarily play it to you.

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Re: JSL: Wayne Shorter, Sunday 9th June @ 8pm

Postby LMG » 09 Jun 2024, 20:32

The ensemble playing is wonderful.

Haunting.


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