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Re: Was Hendrix overrated…?

Postby ChrisB » 21 Jan 2024, 17:01

I really rate Moon, but I'm not a drummer. Perhaps you have to play guitar understand the Hendrix conundrum

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Re: Was Hendrix overrated…?

Postby C » 21 Jan 2024, 17:57

ChrisB wrote:I really rate Moon, but I'm not a drummer. Perhaps you have to play guitar understand the Hendrix conundrum


I do (just at present)

I did (badly and I was overrated)

Moon never jammed with others - that’s the sign of a mediocre tubsman

Did you watch the Soft Machine clip I posted - I doubt moon could even play the first four bars



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Re: Was Hendrix overrated…?

Postby ChrisB » 21 Jan 2024, 18:10

C wrote:
Did you watch the Soft Machine clip I posted - I doubt moon could even play the first four bars



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And I doubt if Moon would want to

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Re: Was Hendrix overrated…?

Postby C » 21 Jan 2024, 19:20

ChrisB wrote:
C wrote:
Did you watch the Soft Machine clip I posted - I doubt moon could even play the first four bars



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And I doubt if Moon would want to


:lol:

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Re: Was Hendrix overrated…?

Postby Hightea » 22 Jan 2024, 01:11

Yes? No? Maybe?

I find most of these lists to be more about influence than shear musician so yes Jimi deserves it since most of the next top guitarist say Hendrix was the bomb. I don't consider him the most skilled guitarist if that is what we are getting at? However, all around rock guitarist and most influential of "rock" guitarist it's hard to argue he isn't the top.

I like Digit Dream Doors lists over crap Rolling Stone List (sorry Rob S)
Plus they break it down
• Greatest Rock Guitarists
• Greatest Rock Guitar Riffs
• Greatest Rock Guitar Solos
• Greatest Live Rock Guitar Solos
• Greatest Metal Guitarists
• Greatest Acoustic Guitarists
• Greatest Specialty Guitarists
• Greatest All-Genre Guitaristshttps://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_guitar-all.html
These are the 100 greatest guitarists of all genres of music and styles of guitar. They were picked for their importance in the guitar world including innovation, respect from other guitarists, influence on both other players as well as on styles of playing, impact, legendary status, and overall importance on shaping the guitar world. Plus for the playing abilities including technique, creativity, versatility, musicaldepth & expression both in composing & performing, live energy and improv skills, and originality.

I don't agree with their list either but at least they break it down further.
I like that they do a most skilled drummer wish they did that for guitarist.

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Re: Was Hendrix overrated…?

Postby C » 22 Jan 2024, 03:33

Hightea wrote:• Greatest All-Genre Guitaristshttps://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_guitar-all.html


Thanks Steve

What a ridiculous list

Jan Akkerman 105 and I got to 150 and couldn’t spot Frank Zappa

Ludicrous

Rory…?


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Re: Was Hendrix overrated…?

Postby Matt Wilson » 22 Jan 2024, 16:17

I watched that same Reacher episode (didn't think season two was as good as the first one), and that Hendrix comment bothered me. Of course he's not 'overrated.' That's a word always used by people who don't like something as much as others do. Jimi was not of this world. You may not like his music, but his influence of other guitar players is incalculable. You can say anyone/anything is overrated. Dylan, Beatles, Elvis, etc. It simply means you're not really a fan, and you don't see what others do.

Keith fucking Moon isn't overrated either by the way.

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Re: Was Hendrix overrated…?

Postby C » 22 Jan 2024, 17:35

Matt Wilson wrote:I watched that same Reacher episode (didn't think season two was as good as the first one), and that Hendrix comment bothered me. Of course he's not 'overrated.' That's a word always used by people who don't like something as much as others do. Jimi was not of this world. You may not like his music, but his influence of other guitar players is incalculable. You can say anyone/anything is overrated. Dylan, Beatles, Elvis, etc. It simply means you're not really a fan, and you don't see what others do.

Keith fucking Moon isn't overrated either by the way.


Matt my dear learned friend, I disagree with virtually everything you have written - except that the first series of Reacher is better than the second.

I agree with Neagley and Swann - of course Jimi was overrated - like Moon he shadows his limitations with flashiness. That's not to say I don't think Hendrix was a great guitarist because he was - I just think he doesn't deserve the accolades he receives.

I really like Jimi - as stated earlier I have all his albums and seven posthumous ones - Band of Gypsys [sic] is my favourite but like all the others I rarely play them.

I like Dylan - have about 20 of his albums and seen him live twice but I wouldn't really call myself a fan - there is not necessarily a correlation.

It's not whether one likes an artiste or not it's simply, as it says on the tin, whether one considers them overrated or not.

I won't fight you over Hendrix Matt but I'd definitely give you am bloody nose regarding Moon.

He never used a hi-hat and hid behind thrashing the living daylights out of a 18 inch ride cymbal

He had little technique and always refused, I understand, to jam with other musicians outside of the band. As I said, watch the Soft Machine clip I posted with the great underrated John Marshall and look me in the eye and tell me that Keith could tub along with the first 8 bars of the track....!

Moon, a great showman yes, but a vastly overrated drummer.

I don't believe a 'rating' is too subjective - one is either 'over' or 'under'

Moon was clearly the former (and to think folk often refer to Moon and Bonham in the same 'praise' sentence is nonsense - one had it, the other didn't)

Lastly, I am the fan of many artistes - I really like them but they are not rated accordingly. Lee Jackson's
'voice is one of them ;)

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Re: Was Hendrix overrated…?

Postby Matt Wilson » 22 Jan 2024, 17:52

Moon was not a technician, his abilities were instinctive, emotional. No Bonham, for sure, but I know plenty of drummers who worship Keith - the same way guitarists do Hendrix. You feel Jimi is overrated, which is fine - no one is going to stop you, but my point earlier was that there's ALWAYS people who find ANY great artist overrated. Dylan, Shakespeare, Brando, Picasso, etc. No offense, but it means nothing. Less than nothing, in fact. If people are already inclined to believe you, then they will tell you you're right. If they disagree with you, as I do, they'll let you know that as well.

Sunshine is overrated, food is overrated, sex... well, you get it.

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Re: Was Hendrix overrated…?

Postby C » 22 Jan 2024, 20:19

Matt Wilson wrote: sex... well, you get it.


No. Not very often




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Re: Was Hendrix overrated…?

Postby Matt Wilson » 22 Jan 2024, 20:55

We should start a club then.

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Re: Was Hendrix overrated…?

Postby C » 22 Jan 2024, 21:30

Matt Wilson wrote:We should start a club then.


:lol:


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Re: Was Hendrix overrated…?

Postby copehead » 02 Feb 2024, 07:45

C wrote:Yes, I’m with Swann - he was overrated

Incidentally Rob, the author really knows his music as does Reacher

He makes reference to quality music in virtually every Lee Child/Reacher book I have read and I have read 25

Reacher loves his blues and tries to visit live music venues when he can

Sorry to come back to you in this one Rob - I promise it won’t happen again

So yes, Swann and Muddy are correct

Band of Gypsys [sic] and the posthumous album with ‘First Rays’ in the title are my faves

For what it’s worth I have the first seven posthumous albums

I never play the first three proper albums at all - not for decades except when we did an Axis PSL which I didn’t really enjoy much




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I think the people best qualified to answer this were the top British guitarists of the 60s and they don't seem to thing he was overrated.

They appear to have been in turns terrified, annoyed and amazed by his virtuosity.
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Re: Was Hendrix overrated…?

Postby copehead » 02 Feb 2024, 07:55

Hightea wrote:• Greatest Rock Guitar riffs
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134. Crossroads - Cream

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The people who compiled that seem to have stopped listening to music sometime around 1992
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Re: Was Hendrix overrated…?

Postby C » 02 Feb 2024, 08:45

copehead wrote:
134. Crossroads - Cream

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Come on lad, the second guitar break is astonishing

And that’s from somebody who stopped listening to music in 1982





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Re: Was Hendrix overrated…?

Postby copehead » 04 Feb 2024, 15:44

C wrote:
copehead wrote:
134. Crossroads - Cream

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Come on lad, the second guitar break is astonishing

And that’s from somebody who stopped listening to music in 1982





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The famous riff is Johnson's

The soloing is Clapton I'll give you that but it is in a list of guitar riffs not guitar solos
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Re: Was Hendrix overrated…?

Postby Matt Wilson » 04 Feb 2024, 18:10

Cream's version of "Crossroads" does not utilize Johnson's original riff.

Not to these ears anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8gUpvllN5Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF5fQXVZGug

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Re: Was Hendrix overrated…?

Postby C » 04 Feb 2024, 19:23

Here's Clapton's blistering second solo from Crossroads [Jack's bass is sublime]



Regarding the 'popular' icons give me Clapton over Hendrix any day



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Re: Was Hendrix overrated…?

Postby copehead » 05 Feb 2024, 16:57

Matt Wilson wrote:Cream's version of "Crossroads" does not utilize Johnson's original riff.

Not to these ears anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8gUpvllN5Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF5fQXVZGug


I hear it quite clearly

The same notes in the same order

Perhaps I am just looking for it
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Re: Was Hendrix overrated…?

Postby C » 05 Feb 2024, 18:38

copehead wrote:
The same notes in the same order



M&W: The right notes in the wrong order!






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