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Celluloid Heroes

Postby Snarfyguy » 10 Dec 2021, 02:36

You can see all the stars as you walk down Hollywood Boulevard
Some that you recognize, some that you've hardly even heard of
People who worked and suffered and struggled for fame
Some who succeeded and some who suffered in vain


The ones who suffered in vain wouldn't actually have stars on Hollywood Boulevard, though, would they? So the pathos kind of doesn't make sense.

Otherwise it's fine, of course.
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Re: Celluloid Heroes

Postby pcqgod » 10 Dec 2021, 04:48

That always bothered me too, lol. I think John Mendelsohn nitpicked it for similar reasons, among others.
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Re: Celluloid Heroes

Postby Charlie O. » 10 Dec 2021, 05:22

pcqgod wrote:I think John Mendelsohn nitpicked it for similar reasons, among others.

He did - some of those reasons quite silly ones. But this one resonated with me: "Ray introduces the wimpy - yes, let it be said! - this-is-really-heartfelt voice without which he'd henceforth seem to imagine his audience incapable of recognizing when he was trying to be touching." One could argue that it's not that far from the voice of, say, "Waterloo Sunset", but it really does seem more affected and patronizing here. But then, I never much liked the song, so maybe that's just my bias talkin'.
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Re: Celluloid Heroes

Postby Mike Boom » 10 Dec 2021, 08:36

Wonderful song, right up there with Waterloo Sunset for me. In the biblical sense the term “suffer in vain” doesn’t mean the failure to succeed, but that the success itself did not achieve anything ie they were still lonely , sad or unhappy.

Also brilliant in the irony of the “Stars” are literally walked all over by the “common people”.

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Re: Celluloid Heroes

Postby fange » 10 Dec 2021, 11:30

Mike Boom wrote: In the biblical sense the term “suffer in vain” doesn’t mean the failure to succeed, but that the success itself did not achieve anything ie they were still lonely , sad or unhappy.


Yes, that's what i was gonna say.
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Re: Celluloid Heroes

Postby Snarfyguy » 18 Dec 2021, 05:18

fange wrote:
Mike Boom wrote: In the biblical sense the term “suffer in vain” doesn’t mean the failure to succeed, but that the success itself did not achieve anything ie they were still lonely , sad or unhappy.


Yes, that's what i was gonna say.

That seems reasonable, but Ray posits that "success" is measured by renown rather than happiness or self-fulfillment.

Nobody gets a star for being happy!
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Re: Celluloid Heroes

Postby fange » 22 Dec 2021, 05:01

:D

Well, YOU get a participation star, Snarf.
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Re: Celluloid Heroes

Postby Mike Boom » 22 Dec 2021, 13:55

Snarfyguy wrote:
fange wrote:
Mike Boom wrote: In the biblical sense the term “suffer in vain” doesn’t mean the failure to succeed, but that the success itself did not achieve anything ie they were still lonely , sad or unhappy.


Yes, that's what i was gonna say.

That seems reasonable, but Ray posits that "success" is measured by renown rather than happiness or self-fulfillment.

Nobody gets a star for being happy!


Which is exactly true on Hollywood Boulevard!