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10 cc offshoots

Postby GoogaMooga » 12 Oct 2021, 18:14

Godley & Creme were better than Andrew Gold & Graham Gouldman. Gouldman is the best overall songwriter in 10cc, but his collaboration with Andrew Gold is rather unexciting synth-pop, very by-the-numbers, with lots of jarring 80s cliches. If "WaxWorks", a 1996 Camden comp, is anything to go by, and that's supposed to be their best work. It's a scarce item now, but not essential. Really, you can boil 10cc down to a comp with perhaps a Godley & Creme comp added to the mix. You might even be lucky and find a combi of 10cc and Godley & Creme on the same CD.

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Re: 10 cc offshoots

Postby Walk In My Shadow » 12 Oct 2021, 18:46

racklisting:
01 10cc - Good Morning Judge
02 Godley & Creme - An Englishman In New York
03 10cc - I'm Mandy Fly Me
04 10cc - The Wall Street Shuffle (Live)
05 Godley & Creme - Wedding Bells
06 10cc - The Things We Do For Love
07 10cc - Dreadlock Holiday
08 10cc - Feel The Love
09 Godley & Creme - Golden Boy
10 10cc - I'm Not In Love (Live)
11 Godley & Creme - History Mi



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Re: 10 cc offshoots

Postby robertff » 12 Oct 2021, 19:14

Not quite sure that I’ve understood the point of this thread - at the risk of appearing dull witted it was Eric Stewart and Graham Gouldman as one pair of writers in 10 cc and Godley/Creme as the other pair.

Stewart and Gouldman wrote I’m Not In Love.



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Re: 10 cc offshoots

Postby The Fish » 12 Oct 2021, 19:43

GoogaMooga wrote:Really, you can boil 10cc down to a comp


Really no you can't.
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Postby ConnyOlivetti » 12 Oct 2021, 19:48

The Fish wrote:
GoogaMooga wrote:Really, you can boil 10cc down to a comp


Really no you can't.


Indeed, you need all of the first four albums.
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Re: 10 cc offshoots

Postby GoogaMooga » 12 Oct 2021, 20:43

robertff wrote:Not quite sure that I’ve understood the point of this thread - at the risk of appearing dull witted it was Eric Stewart and Graham Gouldman as one pair of writers in 10 cc and Godley/Creme as the other pair.

Stewart and Gouldman wrote I’m Not In Love.



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Yes, but I was just referring to Gouldman, still a kind of offshoot. Gouldman is a good songwriter, who wrote big hits for other bands in the 1960s, but here he has lost the plot.
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Re: 10 cc offshoots

Postby slightbreeze » 12 Oct 2021, 21:53

ConnyOlivetti wrote:
The Fish wrote:
GoogaMooga wrote:Really, you can boil 10cc down to a comp


Really no you can't.


Indeed, you need all of the first four albums.

Absolutely. A fabulous, inventive band. Godley's voice......wow, voice of an angel. As for Gouldman being the best writer in the band? Maybe when writing hits for Herman's Hermits, but as part of 10cc, probably the worst, or should that be the least imaginative. When Godley and Creme left after "How dare you", the band should have called it a day. Then we would have been spared the awful "Dreadlock Holiday"

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Re: 10 cc offshoots

Postby Jimbly » 12 Oct 2021, 22:49

The Fish wrote:
GoogaMooga wrote:Really, you can boil 10cc down to a comp


Really no you can't.


I'd boil it down to an e.p.
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Re: 10 cc offshoots

Postby Mike Boom » 13 Oct 2021, 00:41

ConnyOlivetti wrote:
The Fish wrote:
GoogaMooga wrote:Really, you can boil 10cc down to a comp


Really no you can't.


Indeed, you need all of the first four albums.


Exactly, great band and yes, they should have stopped after How Dare You , which is a great album.

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Postby Hugh » 13 Oct 2021, 08:00

If you need a comp then the 4-disc Before, During and After set is the one you need.

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Re: 10 cc offshoots

Postby trans-chigley express » 13 Oct 2021, 13:33

They constantly swapped the song writing partnerships on the first 4 albums which kept things fresh but once everything became Stewart/Gouldman the formula quickly became stale. I like the singles from the first post-Godley/Creme album Deceptive Bends but the album was not great and they faded quickly after that.

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Re: 10 cc offshoots

Postby robertff » 13 Oct 2021, 14:29

ConnyOlivetti wrote:
The Fish wrote:
GoogaMooga wrote:Really, you can boil 10cc down to a comp


Really no you can't.


Indeed, you need all of the first four albums.




And perhaps the fifth.



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Re: 10 cc offshoots

Postby Tom Waits For No One » 13 Oct 2021, 14:42

I have a lot of love for Deceptive Bends.
It was the first album of theirs that was mine (Santa gave it to me Christmas ‘77, the first four were bought by my brother - they’re mine now as he gave up on vinyl)

It started to pave the way for the awful Dreadlock Holiday, but the singles on it are ace and ‘Feel The Benefit’ has some great guitar going on.

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Re: 10 cc offshoots

Postby robertff » 13 Oct 2021, 15:06

Tom Waits For No One wrote:I have a lot of love for Deceptive Bends.
It was the first album of theirs that was mine (Santa gave it to me Christmas ‘77, the first four were bought by my brother - they’re mine now as he gave up on vinyl)

It started to pave the way for the awful Dreadlock Holiday, but the singles on it are ace and ‘Feel The Benefit’ has some great guitar going on.

Thumbs up from me.




Yes, they seemed to lose their way after that, they needed the Lennon to their McCartney.


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Re: 10 cc offshoots

Postby Mike Boom » 13 Oct 2021, 16:17

I forgot about Deceptive Bends, People in Love especially is a fine a song, so yeah, first five.

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Re: 10 cc offshoots

Postby slightbreeze » 13 Oct 2021, 16:42

And praise, too, for Eric Stewart's guitar. Some really innovative solos, never too long, but always really melodic