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Re: The Prog Premier League - Results - The Top 5

Postby C » 12 Oct 2021, 09:34

Yes please next 5.

Consistent voting criteria!

However, if Kraftwerk were considered prog their influence is enormous....

GG's still remains quite low




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Re: The Prog Premier League - Results - The Top 5

Postby robertff » 12 Oct 2021, 10:55

The Next five placings (6-10) in the Prog Premier League



Okay then, the votes have been cast, calculated and recorded and these are the top five placings in the Prog Premier League.

Yes are the champions with Genesis in second place.



1. Yes
2. Genesis
3. King Crimson
4. Pink Floyd
5. Jethro Tull


So, now we need to determine the next 5 placings, a more tricky problem I would guess. Once again, PM your votes to me, only those votes will be counted, same voting system.

Please do not vote for any of the top five, as they are already established and your vote for any of them will not be counted.

So who are the the next five? Start voting now, you have until Saturday 1:00 p.m. GMT


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Re: The Prog Premier League - Now vote for the 6-10 placings

Postby Matt Wilson » 12 Oct 2021, 14:17

Kraftwerk is not prog, for fuck's sake!

Quit exciting the excitable...

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Re: The Prog Premier League - Now vote for the 6-10 placings

Postby C » 12 Oct 2021, 14:28

As we go down the list the 'is it prog?' question is going to be writ large!

Hawkwind?
Strawbs?
TD?
AD2?
Soft Machine?

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Re: The Prog Premier League - Now vote for the 6-10 placings

Postby Matt Wilson » 12 Oct 2021, 14:33

It shouldn't be though. Now that you and Robert clearly laid out the 'prog' vs 'progressive' label distinctions - we should all know what prog sounds like.


And it ain't Kraftwerk. Your beloved Zappa released more prog albums for instance: Hot Rats, Waka Jawaka, Grand Wazoo, One Size Fits All, Roxy & Elsewhere etc. are all more prog than anything Kraftwerk ever released.

But if people want to waste a vote on Kraftwerk, so be it.

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Postby C » 12 Oct 2021, 15:15

Matt Wilson wrote:It shouldn't be though. Now that you and Robert clearly laid out the 'prog' vs 'progressive' label distinctions - we should all know what prog sounds like.


And it ain't Kraftwerk. Your beloved Zappa released more prog albums for instance: Hot Rats, Waka Jawaka, Grand Wazoo, One Size Fits All, Roxy & Elsewhere etc. are all more prog than anything Kraftwerk ever released.

But if people want to waste a vote on Kraftwerk, so be it.


Agreed Matt but everybody is not as bright as Rob, you and me



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Re: The Prog Premier League - Now vote for the 6-10 placings

Postby robertff » 12 Oct 2021, 16:18

C wrote:
Matt Wilson wrote:It shouldn't be though. Now that you and Robert clearly laid out the 'prog' vs 'progressive' label distinctions - we should all know what prog sounds like.


And it ain't Kraftwerk. Your beloved Zappa released more prog albums for instance: Hot Rats, Waka Jawaka, Grand Wazoo, One Size Fits All, Roxy & Elsewhere etc. are all more prog than anything Kraftwerk ever released.

But if people want to waste a vote on Kraftwerk, so be it.


Agreed Matt but everybody is not as bright as Rob, you and me

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I do think that it is going to be more difficult the lower we get with the placings, particularly as the top five and dare I say the next five would have been and in some cases still are the most dominant in the field. In my case, for instance, I have listened to Yes' albums many more times than say the BJH albums, which I know less well. So among the lower reaches, for me personally, and dare I suggest it, others might have the same problem of trying to designate placings - we shall see.


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Re: The Prog Premier League - Now vote for the 6-10 placings

Postby robertff » 12 Oct 2021, 16:24

Two votes in for the 6-10 placings - Thanks Matt and Neil Yung


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Re: The Prog Premier League - Now vote for the 6-10 placings

Postby Hightea » 12 Oct 2021, 17:05

C wrote:As we go down the list the 'is it prog?' question is going to be writ large!

Hawkwind?
Strawbs?
TD?
AD2?
Soft Machine?

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really don't understand how you don't think Strawbs aren't prog. Please find me any website who doesn't consider them prog?
once again
http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=6


Soft machine are Canterbury scene. Prog. You have a Caterbury scene band that wasn't prog?
Caterbury bands
Camel
Wyatt
National Health
Egg
Caravan
H & North
Gong
Henry Cow
Matching Mole
all prog!


Hawkwind - I consider them prog but can see an argument against. ALthough the band consider themselves prog they have played numerous prog festivals.
TD - yes in my eyes.

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Re: The Prog Premier League - Now vote for the 6-10 placings

Postby slightbreeze » 12 Oct 2021, 17:08

Matt Wilson wrote:Kraftwerk is not prog, for fuck's sake!

Quit exciting the excitable...



Kraftwerk aren't even MUSIC, for fucks sake!

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Re: The Prog Premier League - Now vote for the 6-10 placings

Postby Hightea » 12 Oct 2021, 17:22

Matt Wilson wrote:It shouldn't be though. Now that you and Robert clearly laid out the 'prog' vs 'progressive' label distinctions - we should all know what prog sounds like.


And it ain't Kraftwerk. Your beloved Zappa released more prog albums for instance: Hot Rats, Waka Jawaka, Grand Wazoo, One Size Fits All, Roxy & Elsewhere etc. are all more prog than anything Kraftwerk ever released.

But if people want to waste a vote on Kraftwerk, so be it.

Well yeah Zappa is a pioneer of Prog and Kraftwerk are a pioneer of Progressive Electronic. Completely different areas of prog.

Robert listed this sight as the prog bands -https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_artistsprog.html

#10 is kraftwerk :P , by the way Soft Machine, Hawkwind, The Strawbs, Amon Düül all there.

Please find us a website who doesn't say any of these bands are not prog?

If Eno/Fripp albums are prog then how is Kraftwerk not?

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Re: The Prog Premier League - Now vote for the 6-10 placings

Postby Hightea » 12 Oct 2021, 17:23

slightbreeze wrote:
Matt Wilson wrote:Kraftwerk is not prog, for fuck's sake!

Quit exciting the excitable...



Kraftwerk aren't even MUSIC, for fucks sake!

another reason they are prog. :lol:

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Re: The Prog Premier League - Now vote for the 6-10 placings

Postby slightbreeze » 12 Oct 2021, 17:28

Hightea wrote:
slightbreeze wrote:
Matt Wilson wrote:Kraftwerk is not prog, for fuck's sake!

Quit exciting the excitable...



Kraftwerk aren't even MUSIC, for fucks sake!

another reason they are prog. :lol:

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Re: The Prog Premier League - Now vote for the 6-10 placings

Postby Matt Wilson » 12 Oct 2021, 17:45

Yeah, Steve - progarchives certainly list Kraftwerk on their site, but they've got Jefferson Airplane too, so there's that. Also, not one Kraftwerk LP gets a four-star rating either.

Interesting point about those Eno/Fripp LPs. I'm going to have to review them for my Crimson thread soon. I don't consider either one prog. Progressive, maybe...

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Re: The Prog Premier League - Now vote for the 6-10 placings

Postby slightbreeze » 12 Oct 2021, 17:53

Matt Wilson wrote:
Interesting point about those Eno/Fripp LPs. I'm going to have to review them for my Crimson thread soon. I don't consider either one prog. Progressive, maybe...

A little pretentious?

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Re: The Prog Premier League - Now vote for the 6-10 placings

Postby Matt Wilson » 12 Oct 2021, 17:57

slightbreeze wrote:
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Interesting point about those Eno/Fripp LPs. I'm going to have to review them for my Crimson thread soon. I don't consider either one prog. Progressive, maybe...

A little pretentious?


It's the whole ambient thing that Eno was (is?) into. He's not a musician, so I can see how he took that direction. But those albums are a tad dull to these ears. I don't mind No Pussyfooting because it's got plenty of Fripp's guitar tones, but Evening Star is too close to a typical Eno ambient bore-fest. I'll struggle to say something nice about it, I'm sure.

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Re: The Prog Premier League - Now vote for the 6-10 placings

Postby Hightea » 12 Oct 2021, 20:28

Matt Wilson wrote:Yeah, Steve - progarchives certainly list Kraftwerk on their site, but they've got Jefferson Airplane too, so there's that. Also, not one Kraftwerk LP gets a four-star rating either.

JEFFERSON AIRPLANE Proto-Prog on prog archives. That is a different issue. Proto Prog is pre prog and I'm not really including those bands as prog.

Also, not one Kraftwerk LP gets a four-star rating either. - hence why when it comes to prog ratings Kraftwerk might not belong in a high spot as their progginess is limited.

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Re: The Prog Premier League - Now vote for the 6-10 placings

Postby robertff » 13 Oct 2021, 06:58

Vote in from slightbreeze, thanks.


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Re: The Prog Premier League - Now vote for the 6-10 placings

Postby C » 13 Oct 2021, 10:25

Hightea wrote:really don't understand how you don't think Strawbs aren't prog. Please find me any website who doesn't consider them prog?


H/T, I personally understand - fully, but my point was that it varies amongst some folk.

Some may argue that the eponymous debut Strawbs album was not 'prog'. Even I would argue that one.

I'm not convinced about TD.

German 70s electronica stood, proudly, on its own

Perhaps...



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Re: The Prog Premier League - Now vote for the 6-10 placings

Postby C » 13 Oct 2021, 10:35

Matt Wilson wrote: Evening Star is too close to a typical Eno ambient bore-fest.


:o

I love a bit of ambient Eno me

The lad's collabs with the late, great Harold Budd are magnificent

Likewise the couple with the Cluster boys




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