Climate Change. Real or hoax?

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks

Do you believe the Al Gore climate change narrative?

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Re: Climate Change. Real or hoax?

Postby Robert » 24 Sep 2019, 19:46

Well spoken Copehead!!

You have more patience than I do.

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Re: Climate Change. Real or hoax?

Postby Sneelock » 24 Sep 2019, 20:09

I was listening to some young women from "the sunshine movement" here in Los Angeles.
they were talking about how many in their group refuse to bring children into the world. they spoke of their concerns - why they made this decision and the emotional process of weighing such a decision.

when you hear people talk like that, if you take them at their word, without questioning their motives, it's hard to listen to all that other stuff. it's especially hard since all that other stuff has become very familiar and relies so heavily on questioning the motives of others.
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Re: Climate Change. Real or hoax?

Postby Jimbo » 24 Sep 2019, 23:29

Copehead wrote: That paper is tangentially about climate change too.


Of course it is. Doesn't have to be full on climate change to get some cred.

It's utter horseshit. It's eugenics. It's the tulip bulb panic. It's Russiagate.

I was watching surfing on TV. Surfing will be featured in the Tokyo Olympics and I saw how the Japanese contingent practices and competes. All I could think of was how fine those waves looked. No one was complaining about climate change and how the waves were disappearing. A bitchin wave is a bitchin wave. So I just Googled surfers and climate change and the top thing was Climate Change for Surfers: Why It Matters and I will post the link. Just about everything is "will happen" etc. and there was no complaining about disappearing waves - currently. Oooooh ... 2050 ... :shock:

https://911surfreport.com/the-edge-volume-48/
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Re: Climate Change. Real or hoax?

Postby Flower » 25 Sep 2019, 00:54

A possible good investment if he goes public ....

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/04/kelly-s ... rfing.html
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Re: Climate Change. Real or hoax?

Postby Jimbo » 25 Sep 2019, 06:54

Flower wrote:A possible good investment if he goes public ....

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/04/kelly-s ... rfing.html


But ... yeah ... If waves do disappear we, mankind, has figured out how to make artificial waves. We can do amazing shit. Stop with the panic. It'll be all right. (Except for the nukes.)
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Re: Climate Change. Real or hoax?

Postby Powehi » 25 Sep 2019, 09:11

Jimbo wrote:
Stop with the panic. It'll be all right.




Why do I somehow feel less than reassured?

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Re: Climate Change. Real or hoax?

Postby Jimbo » 25 Sep 2019, 12:15

Powehi wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
Stop with the panic. It'll be all right.




Why do I somehow feel less than reassured?


Think of global warming and the rising seas like slow zombies and how there really is no excuse to be a victim. You can pretty much just walk away from the them and - - - What if Trump's wall was a sea wall? Start building it now and if 2050 is the date when something is supposed to happen we'll be ready for that zombie. :D
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Re: Climate Change. Real or hoax?

Postby Powehi » 25 Sep 2019, 12:39

Jimbo wrote:
Powehi wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
Stop with the panic. It'll be all right.




Why do I somehow feel less than reassured?


Think of global warming and the rising seas like slow zombies and how there really is no excuse to be a victim. You can pretty much just walk away from the them and - - - What if Trump's wall was a sea wall? Start building it now and if 2050 is the date when something is supposed to happen we'll be ready for that zombie. :D


The way Trump's wall is going, Jimbo, (just 66 miles of repairs completed along a border snaking out some 2,000 miles), he's not even going to have it a quarter finished by election day next November.

Good article here:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/worl ... -z03vqxq3z

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Re: Climate Change. Real or hoax?

Postby Deebank » 25 Sep 2019, 14:41

Jimbo wrote:
Copehead wrote: That paper is tangentially about climate change too.


Of course it is. Doesn't have to be full on climate change to get some cred.

It's utter horseshit. It's eugenics. It's the tulip bulb panic. It's Russiagate.
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Well, Russiagate is always going to be a tricky one to prove with no smoking gun evidence and even Trump isn't dim enough to leave that lying around.

Eugenics happened, that much is historical fact... Nazi Germany and Scandinavia in the '30s and '40s. I didn't realise this is even in dispute.

The tulip bulb thing was more to do with the vagaries of fashion and capitalism and I'm not sure what it has to do with anything here.

Climate change is different. It is something you can measure on a global basis and see as it happens: the sea temperature and levels rising, the increase in extreme weather events, the melting glaciers. It isn't some subjective, philosophical thing, it can be and is quantifiable.

The argument should be about to what extent it is man-made and to what extent human activity can mitigate the effects... But that wan't your question was it?

The answer to your question is: Demonstrably REAL.
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Re: Climate Change. Real or hoax?

Postby Jimbo » 25 Sep 2019, 15:06

I'm talking about how the masses can be deluded en masse, get sold a bill of goods while thinking you are doing good.

This is long but very interesting. Just a few minutes in and already the movement has been debunked as another sneaky, profit making capitalist venture.

The Manufacturing of Greta Thunberg – for Consent: The Political Economy of the Non-Profit Industrial Complex (5 parts)
http://www.theartofannihilation.com/the ... l-complex/
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Re: Climate Change. Real or hoax?

Postby Copehead » 26 Sep 2019, 16:01

Jimbo wrote:
Copehead wrote: That paper is tangentially about climate change too.


Of course it is. Doesn't have to be full on climate change to get some cred.

It's utter horseshit. It's eugenics. It's the tulip bulb panic. It's Russiagate.

I was watching surfing on TV. Surfing will be featured in the Tokyo Olympics and I saw how the Japanese contingent practices and competes. All I could think of was how fine those waves looked. No one was complaining about climate change and how the waves were disappearing. A bitchin wave is a bitchin wave. So I just Googled surfers and climate change and the top thing was Climate Change for Surfers: Why It Matters and I will post the link. Just about everything is "will happen" etc. and there was no complaining about disappearing waves - currently. Oooooh ... 2050 ... :shock:

https://911surfreport.com/the-edge-volume-48/


I will post you the abstract so you can see:
A Late Silurian crisis in the Welsh Basin
Robin J Bailey and William J Bailey
Abstract. The Ludfordian stage of the Ludlow series, records the terminal phase in the history of
the Welsh early Palaeozoic marine basin. Later Ludfordian facies became uniformly shallow marine,
with event deposits and ubiquitous hummocky cross stratification suggesting storm-influenced
accumulation between fair-weather and storm-wave base. The terminal shallowing trend was
accompanied by a developing ecological crisis signalled by an impoverishment of the marine macrofauna and a marked reduction in bioturbation of the sediments accumulated between the storm events.
Of increasing importance in these latter sediments are often greenish, non-bioturbated, shaly siltstones
showing minutely-wrinkled partings. The wrinkle structures are thought to signify increasingly
extreme conditions, since they record the presence of microbial mats: sea bed colonisations that
today typically develop in ecologically harsh environments. The subsequent passage from these
ecologically stressed open-marine conditions to marine-influenced brackish waters of the Downton
Castle Sandstone Formation – highlighted on the shelf at Ludlow by the famous bone bed – is
signalled in basinal areas to the west only by the rapid replacement of the later Ludfordian marine
shelly fauna by brackish water forms. A major positive carbon isotope excursion associated with the
Ludlow Bone Bed, suggests that there may have been global, climatic, as well as local, influences on
the Ludfordian ecological crisis and on the abrupt faunal changes at the level of the Bone Bed.

The last sentence is the important bit. WE are looking for a specific signifier of faunal stress at times when global warming was occurring.

So tangentially about climate change.

What it is Jimbo is basic physics, I know you don't understand basic physics but I think a 200 year old conspiracy by all the world's scientists ( as even people taking the carbon shilling don't deny basic physics ) to lie about the absorption and emission spectra of the CO2 molecule is a bit far fetched even for you.

You can't change the basic physics of the CO2 molecule and you can't change the level of CO2 in the atmosphere, all you can do is discover a mechanism by which this wouldn't increase the temperature rises we are currently seeing and then you would have to say what is producing teh temperature rises we are seeing and you would do all of that to protect the corporate interests of teh companies who employ me and make me so much more wealthy than you.

I salute you for keeping me in sports cars all these years but enough is enough, I'd like my descendants to have a habitable planet to live on.

I am sorry I have no idea what waves have got to do with global warming but I would have thought that more and stronger storms would produce bitchin' waves.
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Re: Climate Change. Real or hoax?

Postby Jimbo » 29 Sep 2019, 12:34

To verify what my gut says about GW/CC, that it is a crock, a mania, a scam, a political agenda, etc., I am on the lookout for articles and videos, sources which debunk the popular GW/CC meme. Too often, however, it's a conservative or libertarian outlet which sponsors the debunk and would surely be called out by sharp-eyed BCB GW/CC believers. In the video below I think I have found a fair airing of the issue and it backs me up more than YOU. Two scientists, one from MIT and the other from University of Vancouver, neither of whom seem to be on the fossil fuel industry tit, and they both seem to agree that there is a mania, the effects of CO2 are way overblown and that predicting the world-wide climate is nearly impossible. One thing that struck me is how nearly impossible it is to collate local weather variables all across the planet to come up with a number which shows how CO2 is raising the earth's temp. Think about it rationally for once. Today the temp in Tokyo was 77. Tomorrow it is supposed to be 80. Three degrees! Wow. If the overall earth temp went up that high - forever! it'd be curtains. But the GW/CC predicted rise is a degree or less. Think too about how hot it is in London and how hot it is in Glasgow. Globally the cities are nearby but climatically are far apart. Is there a GW model so accurate it takes in these variables from every part of the earth? I, and those scientists don't think so. It is a very measured, apolitical discussion and I hope you will watch.

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Re: Climate Change. Real or hoax?

Postby Diamond Dog » 29 Sep 2019, 12:43

Do you understand the word 'averages'?
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.
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Re: Climate Change. Real or hoax?

Postby Jimbo » 29 Sep 2019, 13:30

Diamond Dog wrote:Do you understand the word 'averages'?


Just way too many variables to average into that one magic number. Take El Nino. I just looked it up and if CC is warming up the seas, well, what do you know? So are El Nino events, which are predictable and clearly what they say they are on the El Nino package. How do they effect climate change. This from Wikipedia

There is no consensus on if climate change will have any influence on the occurrence, strength or duration of El Niño events, as research supports El Niño events becoming stronger, longer, shorter and weaker.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Ni%C3%B1o

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Re: Climate Change. Real or hoax?

Postby Diamond Dog » 29 Sep 2019, 14:37

Of course.

But you appear to be suggesting that those who argue that climate change is happening take the temperature of Glasgow last week and compare it to the rainfall in Bangladesh a decade ago and then cross reference the sea level in Antarctica from a weekend back in 1972 and extrapolate that as climate change/global warming.
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Re: Climate Change. Real or hoax?

Postby Positive Passion » 29 Sep 2019, 14:44

Diamond Dog wrote:Of course.

But you appear to be suggesting that those who argue that climate change is happening take the temperature of Glasgow last week and compare it to the rainfall in Bangladesh a decade ago and then cross reference the sea level in Antarctica from a weekend back in 1972 and extrapolate that as climate change/global warming.


Errmmm....42?

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Re: Climate Change. Real or hoax?

Postby Diamond Dog » 29 Sep 2019, 14:44

Positive Passion wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:Of course.

But you appear to be suggesting that those who argue that climate change is happening take the temperature of Glasgow last week and compare it to the rainfall in Bangladesh a decade ago and then cross reference the sea level in Antarctica from a weekend back in 1972 and extrapolate that as climate change/global warming.


Errmmm....42?


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Re: Climate Change. Real or hoax?

Postby Jimbo » 29 Sep 2019, 14:47

Diamond Dog wrote:Of course.

But you appear to be suggesting that those who argue that climate change is happening take the temperature of Glasgow last week and compare it to the rainfall in Bangladesh a decade ago and then cross reference the sea level in Antarctica from a weekend back in 1972 and extrapolate that as climate change/global warming.


Kinda, yeah. And well stated, DD.

And in the video they say how climate scientists learn historical temperatures from ice cores and tree rings, from times before thermometers. That, the two scientists agree, is imprecise and bad data on which to base the CC rigamarole.
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Re: Climate Change. Real or hoax?

Postby Diamond Dog » 29 Sep 2019, 15:59

Diamond Dog wrote:Of course.

But you appear to be suggesting that those who argue that climate change is happening take the temperature of Glasgow last week and compare it to the rainfall in Bangladesh a decade ago and then cross reference the sea level in Antarctica from a weekend back in 1972 and extrapolate that as climate change/global warming.


Jimbo wrote:Kinda, yeah. And well stated, DD.


The point is - they don't.

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Re: Climate Change. Real or hoax?

Postby Sneelock » 29 Sep 2019, 23:50

In Dahl Jamail’s latest “climate disruption dispatch” he starts with Iceland having a funeral for the first Iceberg lost completely to the climate crisis. Then he makes his case.
https://truthout.org/articles/alaskas-s ... d-history/

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