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Re: Rate C, S, N & Y individually

Postby C » 30 Mar 2019, 21:46

GoogaMooga wrote:I think it might even have been Nash who wrote the toe-curlingly twee "Jennifer Eccles" for Hollies (co-write with Clarke, it appears) - it has certainly informed a lot of what he's done. Stills rocked better and harder than Nash, and Crosby had the better ballads, which leaves dear old Nash neither here nor there, destined to write "Our House".


You really need to listen to Songs for Beginners lad

Yes, you do :)






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Re: Rate C, S, N & Y individually

Postby GoogaMooga » 31 Mar 2019, 00:59

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GoogaMooga wrote:I think it might even have been Nash who wrote the toe-curlingly twee "Jennifer Eccles" for Hollies (co-write with Clarke, it appears) - it has certainly informed a lot of what he's done. Stills rocked better and harder than Nash, and Crosby had the better ballads, which leaves dear old Nash neither here nor there, destined to write "Our House".


You really need to listen to Songs for Beginners lad

Yes, you do :)








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I will, in time. Gotta have at least some solo Nash, right? :)
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Re: Rate C, S, N & Y individually

Postby Graham Murakami » 31 Mar 2019, 10:18

I know it YSCN really, but...

Nash wrote Our House, which is the best CSN(Y) song
Crosby did If Only I Could Remember My Name which is quite inventive, wore a cape and had great parties, like a proper pop star
Stills hasn't produced loads of albums I have bought but only played once
Young did Harvest Moon

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Re: Rate C, S, N & Y individually

Postby C » 31 Mar 2019, 18:07

GoogaMooga wrote:
C wrote:
GoogaMooga wrote:I think it might even have been Nash who wrote the toe-curlingly twee "Jennifer Eccles" for Hollies (co-write with Clarke, it appears) - it has certainly informed a lot of what he's done. Stills rocked better and harder than Nash, and Crosby had the better ballads, which leaves dear old Nash neither here nor there, destined to write "Our House".


You really need to listen to Songs for Beginners lad

Yes, you do :)








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I will, in time. Gotta have at least some solo Nash, right? :)







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Re: Rate C, S, N & Y individually

Postby C » 31 Mar 2019, 18:09

Graham Nash — vocals; guitar all tracks except "Better Days" and "Simple Man"; piano on "Better Days," "Simple Man," "Chicago" and "We Can Change the World"; organ on "Better Days," "There's Only One," "Chicago" and "We Can Change the World"; paper and comb on "Sleep Song"; tambourine on "Chicago" and "We Can Change the World"
Rita Coolidge — piano on "Be Yourself" and "There's Only One"; electric piano on "Be Yourself"; backing vocals on "Military Madness," "Better Days," "Simple Man," "There's Only One," "Chicago" and "We Can Change the World"
Jerry Garcia — pedal steel guitar on "I Used to Be a King" and "Man in the Mirror"
Neil Young — piano on "Better Days" and "Man in the Mirror" and "I Used to Be a King"
Dorian Rudnytsky — cello on "Simple Man" and "Sleep Song"
Dave Mason — electric guitar on "Military Madness"
David Crosby — electric guitar on "I Used to Be a King"
Joel Bernstein — piano on "Military Madness"
Bobby Keys — saxophone on "There's Only One"
David Lindley — fiddle on "Simple Man"
Sermon Posthumas — bass clarinet on "Better Days"
Chris Ethridge — bass on "Man in the Mirror," "There's Only One," "Chicago" and "We Can Change the World"
Calvin "Fuzzy" Samuels — bass on "Military Madness," "Better Days," and "Be Yourself"
Phil Lesh — bass on "I Used to Be a King"
Johnny Barbata — drums on "Military Madness," "I Used to Be a King," "Be Yourself," "Man in the Mirror," "There's Only One," "Chicago" and "We Can Change the World"; tambourine on "Chicago"
Dallas Taylor — drums on "Better Days"
P.P. Arnold — backing vocals on "Military Madness"
Venetta Fields, Sherlie Matthews, Clydie King, Dorothy Morrison — backing vocals on "There's Only One," "Chicago" and "We Can Change the World"



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Re: Rate C, S, N & Y individually

Postby Quaco » 31 Mar 2019, 19:21

Stills has always been ridiculously overrated just because of his musicianship. He has a few songs in CSNY that are good ("Carry On"), but even then, there are missteps -- the overwrought "4 + 20" for example. All this stuff about Manassas, his first solo album, and so on -- I have a hard time swallowing it, and I'm not impressed just 'cause a guy can play guitar and organ.

Can someone convince me that solo Stills is any good?

Crosby is by all accounts an asshole, but generally creates the most interesting music. And he was in The Byrds. Nash is good too. I've never been as huge a Young fan as he may deserve, but he's pretty good too.
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Re: Rate C, S, N & Y individually

Postby C » 31 Mar 2019, 21:43

Quaco wrote:
Can someone convince me that solo Stills is any good?



So many well crafted songs.

As Zappa said: you either get it or you don't








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Re: Rate C, S, N & Y individually

Postby C » 31 Mar 2019, 21:50

In my view, the first two Stills albums and the first Manassas album are almost as good as anything that Neil Young has produced








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Re: Rate C, S, N & Y individually

Postby GoogaMooga » 31 Mar 2019, 21:52

If all those guests are to be found on SFB, then it looks to me like a must-have.
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Postby GoogaMooga » 31 Mar 2019, 21:57

I've got more solo Stills than solo Crosby, although I rate Crosby higher. It's not just the hits, Stills has a unique sense of composition, a bit Latin-tinged, and by that I don't just mean when he breaks into Spanish, his melodies have a certain coolness and assertiveness, as if he is living the advanced hippy dream. All four have a very personal style of composing, but when Stills gets it right, there is nothing cooler from those guys.
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Re: Rate C, S, N & Y individually

Postby C » 31 Mar 2019, 21:58

GoogaMooga wrote:If all those guests are to be found on SFB, then it looks to me like a must-have.


It is a must have

I have been enjoying every nuance and note of it for 48 years.

Trust me




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Postby GoogaMooga » 31 Mar 2019, 21:59

I put my life in your hands, C. :D
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Re: Rate C, S, N & Y individually

Postby C » 31 Mar 2019, 22:08

GoogaMooga wrote:I put my life in your hands, C. :D


Good lad

Yes, good lad






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Postby The Slider » 01 Apr 2019, 00:22

Stills was the most important to them as a unit but probably the most uninteresting as a creative force.
He wrote precisely two good songs in his life, but he was the glue and the driver of the van.

Crosby and Nash added more of musically, but they're both pretty limited.
They just sound great singing together. Shame they didn't sing more that was as good as the stuff on the first two records.
Truthfully CSN aren't interesting at all after the 3rd album.

Neil Young is a light year ahead of the other three put together. In every sense.
But he was never really a part of the set-up even when he was in the band
He used them for his own purposes and contributed very little to the group.

I wouldn't really care that much if the other three vanished and took it all with them
But I think that after David Bowie, Neil Young is the greatest and most important figure to happen to rock music

Rated as I like them:
Young
Crosby
Nash
Stills

Rated as their importance to the collective
Stills
Nash/Crosby tied
Young
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Postby Hightea » 01 Apr 2019, 02:26

The Slider wrote:But I think that after David Bowie, Neil Young is the greatest and most important figure to happen to rock music


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Re: Rate C, S, N & Y individually

Postby C » 04 Apr 2019, 11:18




ooooooof!





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