Former President Donald J. Trump

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 27 Nov 2018, 02:55

A transcript of exchanges between US President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin has been leaked to National News Conglomerate by an anonymous source within the Kremlin. We here at NNC have confirmed the authenticity of this document using the same rigorous verification process we’ve been using to authenticate the evidence for all our other reporting on Russia’s involvement in the 2016 US elections over the last two years. These verification methods include hunches, gut intuitions, and an introspective assessment of the way our feelings feel. The following exchanges revealed in this transcript provide the clearest evidence yet that the President of the United States has been in collusion with the Russian government for years.

This introduction has been authored by the editorial board of the National News Conglomerate. Obey.

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11/9/2016

Trump: I have done as you commanded, my dominant and all-powerful lord. I have conspired with your hackers to steal the election, and now I’m going to be president! I want to thank you for not releasing that video footage of those Russian prostitutes I hired to urinate on a bed the Obamas once slept in. If that had come out it would have offended and alienated a lot of people, which is something I never normally do.

Putin: Yes that is an old KGB tactic called kompromat, a word which only extremely intelligent people know about. Keep this line of communication open. As long as you do as I command, your pee pee tape will remain secret.

Trump: One thing I’m curious about though my lord, if you don’t mind my asking. If you already had an army of hackers targeting Democratic Party emails, why did you need my help? Couldn’t you just have hacked the emails and published them on your own? Why did you need me to interact with them at all?

Putin: Moral support, mainly. We don’t need to get into specifics.

Trump: Oh okay.

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1/20/2017

Trump: I’m in! Whew! I was really worried that leaked dossier would be the end of me! What are my instructions, my lord?

Putin: Begin introducing racism and division to the United States. America has never experienced these things before, and it will shock and disorient them. With the US divided against itself, your nation will be far too weak to stand against my plans of total world domination.

Trump: That’s a really tall order! America has always been a harmonious place where everyone gets along up until today. I’ll try my best though. Anything else?

Putin: Yes, make them distrust your nation’s large media outlets and convince them that the US intelligence community is often dishonest.

Trump: That will be really hard because those institutions have always been trusted for their unparalleled integrity. But your wish is my command, oh lord.

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4/7/2017

Putin: Bomb a Syrian airbase.

Trump: What? Really? Aren’t they, like, your allies?

Putin: Exactly. This will throw inquisitive minds off the scent. We can’t have them finding out about that pee tape.

Trump: Are you sure? Some people are saying that chemical attack looks like it could have been perpetrated by the many terrorist factions in Syria and not the government.

Putin: Who cares? Have you seen how relentless they’ve been in exposing us?? Have you never watched Rachel Maddow? That woman is a psychic bloodhound, masterfully sniffing out the truth at every turn! We can’t afford to take chances. Do as I say.

Trump: Yes sir.

Putin: And see if you can arrest that WikiLeaks guy.

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5/14/17

Trump: Hey do you want me to do anything about Montenegro’s addition to NATO?

Putin: No. NATO expansion is good.

Trump: Uhhh okay.

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6/28/17

Trump: Who do you want tapped for Ukraine envoy?

Putin: Kurt Volker.

Trump: Volker? He hates you! He’s like the biggest Russia hawk ever.

Putin: We still need to throw the Russiagaters off the scent. We’re playing 3-D chess here. This is high-level disinformation, or dezinformatsiya as very smart people call it. I want as many Russia hawks in your administration as possible.

Trump: 3-D chess? Alright. I guess you know what you’re doing.

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8/30/17

Putin: Shut down the Russian consulate in San Francisco and throw out a bunch of diplomats. That will confuse the hell out of them.

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11/21/17

Putin: Now approve the sale of arms to Ukraine. Not even Obama would do that. This will throw them off the trail for sure.

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1/1/18

Putin: Happy new year. Force RT and Sputnik to register as foreign agents.

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1/29/18

Putin: Make sure your Nuclear Posture Review greatly escalates its aggressive posture toward Russia.

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2/14/18

Putin: Happy Valentine’s Day. Don’t worry about those Russians your guys killed in Syria.

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2/19/18

Putin: Send a fleet of war ships to the Black Sea.

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3/25/18

Putin: Better expel a few dozen diplomats over the Skripal thing.

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4/5/18

Putin: Sanction a bunch of Russian oligarchs.

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4/10/18

Putin: Bomb Syria.

Trump: What?? Again?

Putin: Yes.

Trump: What the hell, man? Why’d you even recruit me if you’re just going to have me do everything all the Russia hawks want?

Putin: Well, you know how I told you we were playing 3-D chess against the Russiagate investigation?

Trump: Yeah?

Putin: Well that wasn’t enough. Now we’re playing 4-D chess.

Trump: Fine, whatever, I don’t care. Just don’t release my pee tape.

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7/17/18

Trump: Oh man. They’re really making a major fuss about that summit. What should I do?

Putin: Play it cool. Don’t let them know about our secret diabolical plot.

Trump: Right. Remind me what that was again?

Putin: Make Jim Acosta feel really, really sad.

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9/2/18

Putin: Have you arrested Julian Assange yet?

Trump: Working on it.

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10/20/18

Putin: I like John Bolton’s idea. Pull out of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty.

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11/25/18

Putin: Make sure your administration loudly and aggressively backs Ukraine in our Kerch Strait spat.

Trump: OMFG this is getting too weird. Are you just trolling me? What the hell is this?

Trump: Hello?

Trump: Are you there?

Trump: Answer me!

Putin: 5-D chess.


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 27 Nov 2018, 14:09

So Manafort's plea deal is off because he continued lying to the prosecutors. Why would he do that? Marcy Wheeler has an interesting take:

Now, it is true that Trump can pardon Manafort (though that probably won’t happen right away). That’s the only sane explanation for Manafort doing what he did, that he is still certain he’ll be pardoned. But many of these charges can still be charged in state court.

Just about the only explanation for Manafort’s actions are that — as I suggested — Trump was happy to have Manafort serve as a mole in Mueller’s investigation.

But Mueller’s team appears to have no doubt that Manafort was lying to them. That means they didn’t really need his testimony, at all. It also means they had no need to keep secrets — they could keep giving Manafort the impression that he was pulling a fast one over the prosecutors, all while reporting misleading information to Trump that he could use to fill out his open book test. Which increases the likelihood that Trump just submitted sworn answers to those questions full of lies.


I have to admit it holds a certain appeal! :D

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 27 Nov 2018, 15:25

BOOM: Here it is. CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE UNITED STATES. The Direct Bridge to the Trump campaign was a Russia-Wikileaks-Trump expressway. #LockHimUp https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... an-embassy
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 27 Nov 2018, 22:21

Snarfyguy wrote:
BOOM


Tish.

@WikiLeaks is willing to bet the Guardian a million dollars and its editor's head that Manafort never met Assange


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby harvey k-tel » 28 Nov 2018, 14:50

New York Times always on point...

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 28 Nov 2018, 14:53

harvey k-tel wrote:New York Times always on point...

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I hope you are posting this because of the Kenny Loggins and not Kenny Rogers mistake.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby bobzilla77 » 28 Nov 2018, 23:57

Well Manafort does appear to be riding the Highway to the Danger Zone!

And I bet you anything his mama don't dance, and his daddy don't rock and roll.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 29 Nov 2018, 13:59

This Vanity Fair piece is very interesting.

Did Mueller know Manafort was blabbing to the White House during his cooperation stint?

If it's a battle of wits between Mueller and Trump's team, I know which side I'm betting on.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/11 ... chess-game
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 29 Nov 2018, 14:26

Cohen to plead guilty on lying to Congress re Russian connections during Trump campaign.

Hard to see the upside for he-who-is-somehow-president.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 29 Nov 2018, 16:38

Hey, Jimbo, wake up! Where are you?

How's that nothing burger?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 29 Nov 2018, 16:45

he must be in the jacuzzi. I'm sure he thinks his nothing burger is loaded with gummy worms.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 29 Nov 2018, 16:53

Trump, on Cohen: "He's a liar."

Then: "Now, here's the thing, even if he was right, it doesn't matter, because I was allowed to do whatever I wanted during the campaign."

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 29 Nov 2018, 17:00

man, he's dug that hole so deep we'd have been to China and back if he didn't own the hole.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 29 Nov 2018, 17:35

And so Gucifer 2 and the troll farmers, along with Assange, Putin and now Michael Cohen via a failed hotel deal released the emails and the FB ads and cost HRC the election and sowed discord throughout America.

If Mueller goes after Trump for shady business deals with shady Russian businessmen, for which there is actual evidence, fine but the collusion with Russia to rig the election is as bogus as Willie Vanilli*, or whatever that fake band was called.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 29 Nov 2018, 17:40

Jimbo wrote:And so Gucifer 2 and the troll farmers, along with Assange, Putin and now Michael Cohen via a failed hotel deal released the emails and the FB ads and cost HRC the election and sowed discord throughout America.

If Mueller goes after Trump for shady business deals with shady Russian businessmen, for which there is actual evidence, fine but the collusion with Russia to rig the election is as bogus as Willie Vanilli*, or whatever that fake band was called.

*Milli Vanilli tribute band.

Well, Don trump, Jr. is about to fall on his sword to save his father for lying about the Trump Tower/Russia meeting.

If these guys didn't do anything wrong, why is there so much lying about it?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sloopjohnc » 29 Nov 2018, 17:40

Jimbo wrote: but the collusion with Russia to rig the election is as bogus as Willie Vanilli*, or whatever that fake band was called.


I'd like to see your evidence that contradicts 17 US intelligence agencies, Facebook and Twitter.

I'm sure they only talked about Russian adoption in that hotel room.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 29 Nov 2018, 17:42

Snarfyguy wrote:
Jimbo wrote:And so Gucifer 2 and the troll farmers, along with Assange, Putin and now Michael Cohen via a failed hotel deal released the emails and the FB ads and cost HRC the election and sowed discord throughout America.

If Mueller goes after Trump for shady business deals with shady Russian businessmen, for which there is actual evidence, fine but the collusion with Russia to rig the election is as bogus as Willie Vanilli*, or whatever that fake band was called.

*Milli Vanilli tribute band.

Well, Don trump, Jr. is about to fall on his sword to save his father for lying about the Trump Tower/Russia meeting.

If these guys didn't do anything wrong, why is there so much lying about it?


I don't know. Because they're liars? What is your conspiracy theory?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sloopjohnc » 29 Nov 2018, 17:58

Jimbo wrote:
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Jimbo wrote:And so Gucifer 2 and the troll farmers, along with Assange, Putin and now Michael Cohen via a failed hotel deal released the emails and the FB ads and cost HRC the election and sowed discord throughout America.

If Mueller goes after Trump for shady business deals with shady Russian businessmen, for which there is actual evidence, fine but the collusion with Russia to rig the election is as bogus as Willie Vanilli*, or whatever that fake band was called.

*Milli Vanilli tribute band.

Well, Don trump, Jr. is about to fall on his sword to save his father for lying about the Trump Tower/Russia meeting.

If these guys didn't do anything wrong, why is there so much lying about it?


I don't know. Because they're liars? What is your conspiracy theory?


That's my point. I don't have one besides what's being reported by mainstream media where facts have to be checked.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 29 Nov 2018, 18:45

Jimbo wrote:I don't know. Because they're liars? What is your conspiracy theory?

I don't have one either, but at the very least this revelation opens up Trump's inner circle to perjury charges and at the most the contents of the Steele dossier are substantially true and will be revealed over time. How much political damage any of this does to Trump is another story.

Chait wrote:The latest iterative step in Robert Mueller’s Gambino-style rollup of the Trump campaign is Michael Cohen’s statement in federal court that he lied to Congress about his dealings with Russia. Cohen had been negotiating with Russia during the campaign on Trump’s behalf.

The most immediate and unsurprising thing this tells us is that Trump has mislead the public about this topic for a long time. “For the record, I have ZERO investments in Russia,” he tweeted on July 26, 2016. “I have nothing to with Russia. I have nothing to do with Russia — for anything,” he told reporters the next day. At a press conference the following January, Trump explained that he abstained from such dealings for the very sensible reason that it would be improper. “We could make deals in Russia very easily if we wanted to, I just don’t want to because I think that would be a conflict.”

Cohen lied about his dealings because Trump wanted to hide an improper conflict.

Where this leads remains to be seen, as always. One possibility is that Cohen’s testimony will be used to demonstrate perjury by Trump himself. ABC News reports that Trump was asked about the Trump Tower Moscow project by Robert Mueller on his written questionnaire. ABC does not know how Trump answered the question, but Mueller appears to have gotten Trump to commit to a story first, and is rolling out witnesses who are poised to contradict him.

Second, Cohen’s confession in court confirms the major details first reported last May by Antony Cormier and Jason Leopold. Here is an important passage from their story: “Even before the appointment of Mueller as special counsel in May 2017, FBI agents investigating Russia’s interference in the election learned that Cohen was in frequent contact with foreign individuals about Trump Moscow — and that some of these individuals had knowledge of or played a role in 2016 election meddling.”

If this part is confirmed — and Cohen’s confession adds to its credibility — then it will show direct cooperation during the campaign between Trump’s lawyer and Russians involved in the covert campaign to help elect him. This is yet another possible channel for collusion.


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby BARON CORNY DOG » 29 Nov 2018, 18:57

Jimbo wrote:and cost HRC the election


You keep saying this and I keep telling you that no one is saying that and it isn’t the point anyway.
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