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Re: New now reading

Postby Jimbo » 17 Jun 2018, 00:40

The Cornwell Shakespeare book was entertaining and informative if you are interested in how theater was back in those days.

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Re: New now reading

Postby Copehead » 17 Jun 2018, 08:09

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Entertaining and elegantly-written biog with Damon the unmentioned mockney elephant in the room.

Recommended.

I'm not sure it's a 'work of 'staggering genius' mind you, but great nonetheless.




I really enjoyed that.
A cut above the usual rock star memoire; he had such a strange upbringing - working class bohemian.
I like the way that it ends of the cusp of success and also how Albarn is just hinted at - the Popscene annuals and the "Modern Life is Rubbish" graffito.
There is no point scoring or argument settling.

On the downside I got little feel for what made them stand out from the crowd at the time musically and how that alchemy happened and some of the turns of phrase lean towards the overly flowery but never spiral into Morrisseyesque jarring clangers.

Better read as a personal period piece rather than an exposition on Suede.
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Re: New now reading

Postby Deebank » 17 Jun 2018, 12:32

Copehead wrote:On the downside I got little feel for what made them stand out from the crowd at the time musically and how that alchemy happened.


Wasn't that the point of the book?

It was the failure that made them? Ditching Justine and giving Butler free rein?

On a similar note I've been listening to Dog Man Star a bit lately - the end of side two is a staggering work of genius :lol:
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Postby Copehead » 17 Jun 2018, 13:18

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Copehead wrote:On the downside I got little feel for what made them stand out from the crowd at the time musically and how that alchemy happened.


Wasn't that the point of the book?

It was the failure that made them? Ditching Justine and giving Butler free rein?

On a similar note I've been listening to Dog Man Star a bit lately - the end of side two is a staggering work of genius :lol:


Have you heard their last album - it is a real return to form?

I got the point about Freischman leaving giving them space but got little sense of the relationship of Butler and Anderson that her leaving allowed to flourish, he seemed far closer to Osman, obviously.
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Postby Deebank » 17 Jun 2018, 13:30

Copehead wrote:
Deebank wrote:
Copehead wrote:On the downside I got little feel for what made them stand out from the crowd at the time musically and how that alchemy happened.


Wasn't that the point of the book?

It was the failure that made them? Ditching Justine and giving Butler free rein?

On a similar note I've been listening to Dog Man Star a bit lately - the end of side two is a staggering work of genius :lol:


Have you heard their last album - it is a real return to form?

I got the point about Freischman leaving giving them space but got little sense of the relationship of Butler and Anderson that her leaving allowed to flourish, he seemed far closer to Osman, obviously.


Luke Haines has quite a lot to say about it all in his excellent - and very funny - biog Bad Vibes. Highly recommended!

John Harris's The Last Party is also very good on this pivotal point in the formation of Britpop.
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Postby Copehead » 18 Jun 2018, 20:28

Deebank wrote:[
Luke Haines has quite a lot to say about it all in his excellent - and very funny - biog Bad Vibes. Highly recommended!

John Harris's The Last Party is also very good on this pivotal point in the formation of Britpop.


Thanks for reminding me about that, I had bought it but it had never downloaded to my kindle for some reason.
Now it has and the opening chapter about being attacked by a dwarf on stage is one of the funniest things I have ever read.
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Just re-started this - the subject matter is well known, but there is some fantastic detail here regarding the four main components of 'the team' (Bernstein, Sondheim, Laurents and Robbins) as they worked on the idea for years before the realisation of "West Side Story" on Broadway in 1958..... quite a bit of background on NYC itself at the time, and how that informed the musical.
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I've started this and, so far, it's one of the better reads regarding that crazy 12 weeks from the announcement of his candidacy to his assassination.



This was excellent and well worth picking up if you're interested in the Robert Kennedy 'phenomenon' of 1968.
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Re: New now reading

Postby Deebank » 25 Jun 2018, 20:13

Copehead wrote:
Deebank wrote:
Copehead wrote:On the downside I got little feel for what made them stand out from the crowd at the time musically and how that alchemy happened.


Wasn't that the point of the book?

It was the failure that made them? Ditching Justine and giving Butler free rein?

On a similar note I've been listening to Dog Man Star a bit lately - the end of side two is a staggering work of genius :lol:


Have you heard their last album - it is a real return to form?

I got the point about Freischman leaving giving them space but got little sense of the relationship of Butler and Anderson that her leaving allowed to flourish, he seemed far closer to Osman, obviously.


Brett’s only recollection of Richard Osman was good.
Apparently he stormed into the room and announced “The sixties were shit!” :lol:
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Postby Diamond Dog » 25 Jun 2018, 21:18

Meanwhile, back in "Now Reading".....
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Postby Copehead » 25 Jun 2018, 21:38

Diamond Dog wrote:Meanwhile, back in "Now Reading".....


We are talking about books we are readig
And teh are about music as well

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I've had a Negroni and I am watching the Manics at the Osle of Wight festival


They are fab

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Postby Copehead » 25 Jun 2018, 21:40

Deebank wrote:
Copehead wrote:
Deebank wrote:
Wasn't that the point of the book?

It was the failure that made them? Ditching Justine and giving Butler free rein?

On a similar note I've been listening to Dog Man Star a bit lately - the end of side two is a staggering work of genius :lol:


Have you heard their last album - it is a real return to form?

I got the point about Freischman leaving giving them space but got little sense of the relationship of Butler and Anderson that her leaving allowed to flourish, he seemed far closer to Osman, obviously.


Brett’s only recollection of Richard Osman was good.
Apparently he stormed into the room and announced “The sixties were shit!” :lol:


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Re: New now reading

Postby Diamond Dog » 30 Jun 2018, 04:32

Copehead wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:Meanwhile, back in "Now Reading".....


We are talking about books we are readig
And teh are about music as well

What more do you want/[email protected]@

I've had a Negroni and I am watching the Manics at the Osle of Wight festival


They are fab

Sorry for the spelling msralee x



:lol: :lol:

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Re: New now reading

Postby Deebank » 30 Jun 2018, 20:52

I’m reading Cosey Fanni Tutti’s memoirs now.

It seems Orridge was/is a colossal twat. Perhaps I should wait to read his side of the story before drawing too many conclusions, but it all rings true.
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Postby Darkness_Fish » 30 Jun 2018, 21:43

Deebank wrote:I’m reading Cosey Fanni Tutti’s memoirs now.

It seems Orridge was/is a colossal twat. Perhaps I should wait to read his side of the story before drawing too many conclusions, but it all rings true.

I've still not picked up a copy of that yet, which is a massive oversight. Funnily enough, I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone speak particularly positively about GPO, he seems to annoy everyone he worked with, though I know his behaviour according to that book goes well beyond the borders of 'being annoying'. Still, when you read what the likes of Coum Transmissions were doing as performance art, and the balls you'd have to have to be doing what Throbbing Gristle did, at a time when punk was still controversial, I kinda figured they all would've been at least fairly twattish.

On the other hand, if you've ever watched any of GPO's interviews on youtube, he normally comes across really quite well, for all that he's a shyster and a bullshitter. He's certainly got a bit of charisma and intelligence, even if he looks like a bad Leslie Ash drag-tribute act.
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Postby joklend » 01 Jul 2018, 11:17

I had a quick flick through that in Waterstones, mostly looking for the bits about Coil. I might have to buy it if it's scandalously revealling.

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Flitting between this and the West Side Story book.... this is a really excellent explanation and illustration of how Graphic Design embraced the modernism culture.... it's great to see many familiar images .

I'm sure John Coan would enjoy this!
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Postby Deebank » 01 Jul 2018, 11:36

The word used most often in Cosey’s book about Orridge - from a number of different people as well as CFT - is manipulative. He certainly controlled Cosey. It’s depressing reading about these liberated free anarchistic (cult like) groups... groups where the women inevitably do all the domestic work and cooking as well as holding down jobs to support their lazy feckless male partners.

The Manson comparisons are apt I think.
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Postby Deebank » 01 Jul 2018, 11:39

joklend wrote:I had a quick flick through that in Waterstones, mostly looking for the bits about Coil. I might have to buy it if it's scandalously revealling.


There’s a lot of stuff about CFT’s modelling and p**n work and stuff about that side of publishing in the 70s
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