rank these artists II

[Davey the Fat Boy]

Sure. I’ll give her that. But not much else.

[fange]

[Fonz]

love 'em despite/because of whatever flaws they have/songs they've sung

Roky Erickson
Alan Vega
Sky Saxon
Noddy Holder
Fats Domino



have given me quite a bit of pleasure

Ian Curtis
Todd Rundgren
Rod Stewart
Johnny Thunders
Wilson Pickett
Ray Manzarek
Joe Strummer



the odd thrill, the occasional decent song - mostly 'other people's shit'

Kevin Ayers
Debbie Harry
Diana Ross
Ginger Baker
Phil Spector
Carole King
Aretha Franklin



not especially interested but not against them either

Adam Ant
Randy Newman
Lydia Lunch
Billy Fury
Bob Mould
Stevie Nicks
James Murphy



snakes

Annie Lennox
Roger Waters

I love that Carole King is in with the ‘(mostly) other people’s shit”.
The best songwriter on that list!

[Fonz]

Let’s just say it how it is/was:

Debbie Harry was gorgeous.
Patti Smith was a munter.

[naughty boy]

I love that Carole King is in with the ‘(mostly) other people’s shit”.
The best songwriter on that list!

Ah yeah, I suppose. I like some of those songs, too. Maybe she could go in the list above.

Let’s just say it how it is/was:

Debbie Harry was gorgeous.
Patti Smith was a munter.

Yep.

Some people go for that 'androgynous' look she had around the time of Horses, but it doesn't do much for me. Looks are of course important in what they do. Even Davey has to admit that.

Patti didn't have as many good songs as Debs, either. And there's that weird, affected vocal. Costello does a similar thing. Horrible.

[Penk!]

I would not have any problem standing up in a court of law and saying that I liked these people's music very much
Aretha Franklin
Ian Curtis
Joe Strummer
Wilson Pickett

This gang have certainly done some things I like though I am wary of committing myself wholeheartedly
Alan Vega
Carole King
Johnny Thunders
Todd Rundgren
Debbie Harry
James Murphy
Phil Spector
Rod Stewart

There are good things there but I don't know enough, or they were too inconsistent, or they're just not enough to my taste
Noddy Holder
Stevie Nicks
Sky Saxon
Roger Waters
Diana Ross
Kevin Ayers
Billy Fury
Roky Erickson
Adam Ant

I am sure they are good at what they do but they have had little impact on me, or I just haven't cared enough
Fats Domino
Randy Newman
Lydia Lunch
Ginger Baker

I am struggling to have any opinion one way or the other. Maybe you could ask Tucker Crowe?
Annie Lennox

I would much rather have gone through life without having heard these people's music
Ray Manzarek
Bob Mould

[Goat Boy]

I love that Carole King is in with the ‘(mostly) other people’s shit”.
The best songwriter on that list!

Ah yeah, I suppose. I like some of those songs, too. Maybe she could go in the list above.

Let’s just say it how it is/was:

Debbie Harry was gorgeous.
Patti Smith was a munter.

Yep.

Some people go for that 'androgynous' look she had around the time of Horses, but it doesn't do much for me. Looks are of course important in what they do. Even Davey has to admit that.

Patti didn't have as many good songs as Debs, either. And there's that weird, affected vocal. Costello does a similar thing. Horrible.

There’s a lot of bullshit around Patti Smith. All that rock ‘n’ roll poet nonsense is bogus and tiresome. She’s become some kind of totem for authenticity and literate rock ‘n’ roll which is naturally the kind of thing I rail against in disgust but, on Horses at least, she had a real lightning in a bottle moment. I can dismiss a lot of what came after but that record deserves the hype. She’s “woke” too of course, all that People Have The Power nonsense is tedious but has probably helped her cross over to younger generations.

Blondie didn’t have a statement of Horses magnitude but they constantly entertained and had some really great singles that sound wonderful and evergreen. Harry was a big part of their charm and I don’t just mean in the obvious way. She brought something to those records and, admittedly, there is something utterly perfect about her. I have female friends who describe her as a “goddess” and she’s one of those rare singers who seems to appeal to men and women equally, but for different reasons of course.

If you were to put together a best off Blondie’s would beat Patti’s quite handily.

[The Slider]

Far above all the others
Rod Stewart

Couldn't live without
Adam Ant
Noddy Holder
Roger Waters - but only in his PF role.
Debbie Harry
Phil Spector
Joe Strummer
Stevie Nicks - but only in her FM role

I like
Diana Ross
Ian Curtis
Carole King
Randy Newman
Johnny Thunders
Todd Rundgren - in small doses
Ray Manzarek - for his work between 1966 and 1970 - not his godawful personality

Yeah. Ok.
Billy Fury
Alan Vega
Sky Saxon
Aretha Franklin
Fats Domino

I don't dislike but am not really very interested in
Roky Erickson
Wilson Pickett
Kevin Ayers

No, ta
Annie Lennox - though oddly there are a few Eurythmics and Tourists tunes I rather like.
Bob Mould

Fuck off
Ginger Baker


I've not knowingly ever heard a note by James Murphy or Lydia Lunch

[fange]

There’s a lot of bullshit around Patti Smith. All that rock ‘n’ roll poet nonsense is bogus and tiresome. She’s become some kind of totem for authenticity and literate rock ‘n’ roll which is naturally the kind of thing I rail against in disgust but, on Horses at least, she had a real lightning in a bottle moment. I can dismiss a lot of what came after but that record deserves the hype. She’s “woke” too of course, all that People Have The Power nonsense is tedious but has probably helped her cross over to younger generations.

Blondie didn’t have a statement of Horses magnitude but they constantly entertained and had some really great singles that sound wonderful and evergreen. Harry was a big part of their charm and I don’t just mean in the obvious way. She brought something to those records and, admittedly, there is something utterly perfect about her. I have female friends who describe her as a “goddess” and she’s one of those rare singers who seems to appeal to men and women equally, but for different reasons of course.

If you were to put together a best off Blondie’s would beat Patti’s quite handily.

Yep, this. For once Dougie is talking sense.

[The Slider]

Patti's pop sensibility appeared more on Easter and Wave.
I like them better than Horses.
They are both way less up their own arses.

But Blondie kick her arse all the way back to the Bowery.

[Minnie the Minx]

Anyone want to take a punt in telling me how we arrived at Patti v Debbie?
Where is, oh I dunno, Roger v Ray?
Where is Patti v Roger, come to think of it?

[The Slider]

Machuki talked trash about Deb.
Hatz gave Patti as an example of a peer who he (rightly) feels has more 'cred' but less 'charm'

Are we not allowed to get tangential now?

[The Slider]

Roger has bigger tits than Ray

and Patti

[Minnie the Minx]

I'm a big fan of getting tangential.
I'm less interested in the pitching of "a peer" couple of women into 'munter's v' the women who make my cock hard.'
Dreary, basic, lazy, go to the end of your nose stuff.

[Fonz]

I'm a big fan of getting tangential.
I'm less interested in the pitching of "a peer" couple of women into 'munter's v' the women who make my cock hard.'
Dreary, basic, lazy, go to the end of your nose stuff.

It's not quite that simple or basic, really though.

Blondie were appealing, across a really broad demographic. Of course, Debbie was gorgeous, but the attraction was based on style, personality, and FUN!

Patti Smith never seemed like fun. She seemed like a difficult dinner part guest.

[Davey the Fat Boy]

I'm a big fan of getting tangential.
I'm less interested in the pitching of "a peer" couple of women into 'munter's v' the women who make my cock hard.'
Dreary, basic, lazy, go to the end of your nose stuff.

It's not quite that simple or basic, really though.

Blondie were appealing, across a really broad demographic. Of course, Debbie was gorgeous, but the attraction was based on style, personality, and FUN!

Patti Smith never seemed like fun. She seemed like a difficult dinner part guest.

I thought we were simply discussing who was a better singer.

[Fonz]

I'm a big fan of getting tangential.
I'm less interested in the pitching of "a peer" couple of women into 'munter's v' the women who make my cock hard.'
Dreary, basic, lazy, go to the end of your nose stuff.

It's not quite that simple or basic, really though.

Blondie were appealing, across a really broad demographic. Of course, Debbie was gorgeous, but the attraction was based on style, personality, and FUN!

Patti Smith never seemed like fun. She seemed like a difficult dinner part guest.

I thought we were simply discussing who was a better singer.

No. We’re ranking them as artists.

[Fonz]

Half the folks on that list weren’t known for their voices.

[Davey the Fat Boy]

The discussion about Smith vs. Harry was about which was a better singer.

If we take in their whole artistry, Smith just passes Harry up by more. Despite what’s been claimed here, Blondie aren’t even that much fun.

[naughty boy]

In your opinion.

And - by pretty much any measure - she was more fun than Patti.