Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks

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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby yomptepi » 18 Feb 2018, 19:13

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At least he cares about people.

Corbyn is a seething misanthrope.
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Oh dear.


You see. This is why it is so hard to have any sort of debate about Corbyn. Any criticism of him is seen as sacrilege, and noses are looked down and you can hear the tutting of the metropolitan elite from all the way out here in Bucks.
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Toby » 18 Feb 2018, 20:21

Can you elucidate a bit further on what views you consider to be dangerous?

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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Deebank » 18 Feb 2018, 20:49

In short, the man’s a 24 carat cock.
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby PENK » 18 Feb 2018, 20:52

Toby wrote:Can you elucidate a bit further on what views you consider to be dangerous?


https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24926/jacob_rees-mogg/north_east_somerset/votes
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Butch Manly » 18 Feb 2018, 20:54

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Toby wrote:Can you elucidate a bit further on what views you consider to be dangerous?

First, some opinions from within his own party.

One former Tory minister: "He's theologically opposed to having policy driven by evidence and facts, insisting that anyone who disagrees must be lying or relying on false information."

Matthew Parris: "His manners are perfumed but his opinions are poison. Rees-Mogg is quite simply an unfailing, unbending, unrelenting reactionary."

Anna Soubry: "I couldn't stay in a party led by somebody like him."

Former cabinet minister: "You would only elect him leader of the conservative party if you didn't want to win an election ever again."

Chris Patten: "He had these sorts of views when he was eight or nine. To still have them when he's 48 seems to me to be pushing it a bit. I don't think they have very much relevance to Britain's problems in the 21st century." (And he's an old friend of the Moggs)
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Mogg's principles: (taken from the New Statesman)
"I take my whip from the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic church rather than the Whip's office"

On climate change: "I would rather my constituents were warm and prosperous than cold and impoverished as we are overtaken by emerging markets who understandably put people before polar bears."
He opposes foreign aid, manision taxes, the bankers' bonus tax, increases in welfare for the disabled.
He supports zero hours contracts, the bedroom tax and fox hunting.

Brexit: he believes "no deal is better than a bad deal" but will not state what the consequences of no deal are. He wants minimal tax and minimal regulation and be dammed with the consequence. He already believes he is saved.


What a fucking prick. It's laughable that Toby attempts to characterise Corbyn, a man who has dedicated his life to making a genuine difference at the grass roots level, as a man who's made a career out of saying no and yet Rees Mogg effectively says no to the 1830s onwards.

There isn't a doubt in my mind that, were he there at the time, he'd oppose the abolition of slavery or universal suffrage.

What a guy!
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby The Modernist » 18 Feb 2018, 21:05

yomptepi wrote:
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Samoan wrote:Corbyn is a seething misanthrope.
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Oh dear.


You see. This is why it is so hard to have any sort of debate about Corbyn. Any criticism of him is seen as sacrilege, and noses are looked down and you can hear the tutting of the metropolitan elite from all the way out here in Bucks.


I'm quite happy to engage with informed criticism on him but some vague sweeping statement about his supposed misanthropy doesn't exactly have a lot of substance to it. What exactly are we meant to debate about here? You may as well say I don't like him because "he pours boiling water over the heads of beggars and eats babies".

Still it's nice to see I'm regarded as being part of "the metropolitan elite". I hope they won't mind me joining them too much! :)

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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Butch Manly » 18 Feb 2018, 21:10

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Toby wrote:Can you elucidate a bit further on what views you consider to be dangerous?


https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24926/jacob_rees-mogg/north_east_somerset/votes


Over to Toby.
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby The Modernist » 18 Feb 2018, 21:14

German Dave wrote:
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Toby wrote:Can you elucidate a bit further on what views you consider to be dangerous?


https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24926/jacob_rees-mogg/north_east_somerset/votes


Over to Toby.


About the only thing he is in favour of is lowering corporation tax and tax avoidance. :lol:

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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Goat Boy » 18 Feb 2018, 21:18

There's no chance of him becoming leader though, is there? I mean that would be suicidal for the Tories.

I don't even need to know how he votes to know he's a cunt. Anybody who quotes latin in interviews when he knows nobody has a clue what he's on about is a total arse. Don't let that Walter the Softy exterior fool you. You better believe he bummed boys in the locker rooms.

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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Butch Manly » 18 Feb 2018, 21:26

Goat Boy wrote:There's no chance of him becoming leader though, is there? I mean that would be suicidal for the Tories.


Don't be so naive, young one. After all, who'd have guessed the Donald?
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Deebank » 18 Feb 2018, 21:33

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Goat Boy wrote:There's no chance of him becoming leader though, is there? I mean that would be suicidal for the Tories.


Don't be so naive, young one. After all, who'd have guessed the Donald?


Indeed, all bets are off these days.
He’s less toxic in the party than Boris.
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Goat Boy » 18 Feb 2018, 21:41

I'm not buying it. The electorate wouldn't go for him.
Griff wrote:The notion that Jeremy Corbyn, a lifelong vocal proponent of antisemitism, would stand in front of an antisemitic mural and commend it is utterly preposterous.


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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Butch Manly » 18 Feb 2018, 21:50

Goat Boy wrote:I'm not buying it. The electorate wouldn't go for him.


That's how Trump got in. That's how brexit happened.
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Goat Boy » 18 Feb 2018, 21:56

There's reasons why Trump appealed though. I don't think it's the same thing. There's no way somebody like Mogg is gonna appeal to working class voters in the same way that Trump could in America. If the Tories wanna make him leader then go hog wild
Griff wrote:The notion that Jeremy Corbyn, a lifelong vocal proponent of antisemitism, would stand in front of an antisemitic mural and commend it is utterly preposterous.


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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Goat Boy » 18 Feb 2018, 21:57

Of course in 18 months time somebody will probably quote that back at me and go, "haha wanker, told ya" but...
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Copehead » 18 Feb 2018, 22:44

Toby wrote:Rees-Mogg is articulate and candid about his views. I thought his declaration that he didn't believe in abortion in that interview was a brilliant example of how to separate individual perspectives from that of party line or government policy. Compare that with the Liberal nobody that I can't even remember the name of who resigned because he couldn't give a straightforward answer reconciling his faith and party line. I respected him a lot for that - I admire politicians who are not afraid to tell awkward truths.

My concern is that he has little or no government experience.


Corbyn - I admire his tenacity but I can't trust anyone who has said no for 30 years as a politician and refused to compromise. When you get to that age in professional life there is little doubt that you don't change either. He is a competent constituency MP and an excellent campaigner, but someone who champions Chavez in Venezuela and goes on Iranian TV to support their regime can't get anywhere near the reins of power in my eyes.


Rees_Mogg is your right wing "Christian" who cherry picks the parts of the bible he is going to legislate on - hint - not the Jesus bits about treating your neighbour as yourself and giving away your worldly wealth to enter the kingdom of heaven but the bits about what women should do with their bits.

He is a hypocritical shit stain of a human being who is looking to make money out of sending this country down the shitter in Brexit and in any sane world he would literally be put up against a wall and be shot like the Ceausescus.

Chavev died years ago and did some remarkably good things as well as some stupid shit before popping his clogs, and telling socialists that Venezuela is the end game for socialism is like telling capitalists that that Nigeria is what awaits them.

Corbyn didn't go on Iranian TV to support the Iranian regime, that is just a lie.

Corbyn is a mediocre politician with decent values and in the modern world when you look at the absolute scumbags who infest the political system on both sides, but lets be fair mainly on the Tory side, that is as good as it gets.

There hasn't been in a decent human being in charge of a political Party in this country between John Smith and Jeremy Corbyn, and John Smith was twice the politician Corbyn is. Let's make an honourable exception for Charles Kennedy in that.

This country is fucked because of the quality of human being that is attracted to the political arena, but at least we aren't the USA; but we will be as bad if we elect a vampiric, rent seeking, sociopathic spunk stain like Rees-Mogg to rule us.

At least Chavez appeared to have some desire to make the lot of the broad majority of the people of his country's lot better, Rees-Mogg is in it for Rees-Mogg and if he can fuck over Women, Gays, and foreigners in the process that is just the cherry on the top for the cunt.
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Dor-Relip Hotels and Bathings » 18 Feb 2018, 22:49

More or less, yeah.
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Copehead » 18 Feb 2018, 22:51

Toby wrote:
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Toby wrote:Brexit is a prime example of how Corbyn obfuscated (and continues to do so) his own individual perspective to the party line. Everyone know he wants Brexit but he doesn't want to because he knows Labour would lose support if it came out and said so. I realise this is all part of politics but with this situation clarity of perspective is required.

"Everyone knows"


Corbyn belongs to the same school of Bennite thought that didn't want to join the EU. McDonnell too. Why would far left socialists want to be part of it?


Corbyn campaigned for Remain, voted remain and said he would vote remain in any fresh plebiscite.

Not that you'd know that from the news media in this country. The only thing he has done since is say we have to honour the decision that was reached.

Now I tend to the view that we should tell the idiots who voted leave that we aren't going to do that because they are too fucking thick to have a sensible cogent view on the matter, but his is an honourable view and mine isn't.

And what is far left about a man whose economic policy is to the right of Harold Macmillan. You always jaw along about being an old school liberal Conservative, why wouldn't you vote for a man with the old school liberal Conservative policies of Harold Macmillan?

Or are you just trying to sugar coat your reactionary extreme right wing views?

I believe you are as about as extreme right as Corbyn is far left.
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Copehead » 18 Feb 2018, 22:55

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Goat Boy wrote:There's no chance of him becoming leader though, is there? I mean that would be suicidal for the Tories.


Don't be so naive, young one. After all, who'd have guessed the Donald?



They said the same about Corbyn and he increased the labour vote by over 30% these are strange times, best he is quietly strangled now just in case.
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Copehead » 18 Feb 2018, 22:56

OCT wrote:More or less, yeah.


I've been on the whisky

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