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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby PENK » 14 Nov 2017, 06:58

You can’t mean the Darmian incident in the second half? The replay quite clearly showed that he comically hurled himself against the Swedish defender. A few minutes on the sideline with wind was what he deserved!

Three clear-cut ones in the first half all waved away, though. After those and an early flurry of yellows it was a surprise things calmed down and nobody got their marching orders.

Anyway well done Sweden. Did the job they needed while Italy looked anxious and unsure. I guess that’s it for Buffon and perhaps those centre-backs too.

I like Italy due to growing up with Football Italia and playing as Roma a lot on Championship Manager, but this is a weak generation and I’m happy that the country where I live has qualified.

Still, I’d rather Italy had gone through than Switzerland, who I’ve never forgiven for that Ukraine match in 2006...
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Geezee » 14 Nov 2017, 08:44

I might be biased - a little bit - but I thought neither of Italy's penalty shouts were up to much, whereas the two Swedish ones were stone cold. :) And the most obvious one really is no excuse - both linesman and ref had a perfect view of it. I'm also not 100% sure if Sweden's disallowed goal was offside - it looked fine to me but Italian TV never showed a replay.

Either way, irrespective of the negativity of Sweden's play it really is pretty incredible - this is without a doubt the weakest Sweden team since the late 1980s, and yet they've beaten France, Netherlands and Italy to reach the finals for the first time since 2006. Janne Andersson created a fantastic team at IFK Norrkoping and has done it again with the national team and I'm very impressed by how he's stepped up to this level.
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby PENK » 14 Nov 2017, 09:09

Someone has handily uploaded them all to Youtube!

Here, Parolo clearly touches the ball and Augustinsson doesn't. Augustinsson's leg goes between Parolo's and he's pushing him too. Penalty.



Here, it's unclear whether it's deliberate, but the arm is outstretched and blocks the ball. Penalty.



Here, the arm is closer to the body, but there is movement to block the ball and again the defender gets an advantage from doing so. Penalty.



Here, it looks a penalty at first but on the second replay you see Lustig blocks the ball and Darmian jumps into his outstretched knee. No penalty.

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Postby Dr Markus » 14 Nov 2017, 12:13

Confident for tonight without being [AmericanAccent]super confident[/AmericanAccent] Mon The Eire!
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby The Modernist » 14 Nov 2017, 12:23

It just shows how hard the ref's job is because I disagree with Penk . For me 1 (tackle from behind that makes contact with the player first), 2 (downward movement of the arm) and 4 (raised foot and arm into player, the knee blocks him from following the ball)) are penalties, but 3 (ball to arm, arms by side) isn't.
The first one is the most blatant, the other 3 are more debatable.

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Postby PENK » 14 Nov 2017, 13:09

Watch 4 again G and focus on Darmian rather than the ball. He jumps into the defender; he is the one who initiates contact regardless of the defender’s position. The defender has already blocked the ball away before the collision.

I agree that 3 is debatable because it’s not clear it was deliberate, but the defender definitely gained an advantage from handling and often that is regarded as enough to give the foul.
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Toby » 14 Nov 2017, 13:18

I think Denmark will get a result tonight.

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Postby Dr Markus » 14 Nov 2017, 13:51

Toby wrote:I think Denmark will get a result tonight.


Quiet you!
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Geezee » 14 Nov 2017, 14:00

The Modernist wrote:It just shows how hard the ref's job is.
The first one is the most blatant, the other 3 are more debatable.


:shock: No, it just shows that you are very wrong!
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PENK wrote:Watch 4 again G and focus on Darmian rather than the ball. He jumps into the defender; he is the one who initiates contact regardless of the defender’s position. The defender has already blocked the ball away before the collision.
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He has, but the ball hasn't been cleared, it is still there to be won. You say he jumped into the player, but I think it looks as if Darmain is jumping towards the ball but is blocked by the defender's leg/knee. This obstruction could certainly be deemed a foul. But it's a classic case of a 50/50 decision, it could be given either way.

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Postby The Modernist » 14 Nov 2017, 15:16

Toby wrote:I think Denmark will get a result tonight.


Me too. Ireland are dreadful.

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Postby Dr Markus » 14 Nov 2017, 15:56

The Modernist wrote:
Toby wrote:I think Denmark will get a result tonight.


Me too. Ireland are dreadful.

sorry Markus


We beat youse. 8-)
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Geezee » 14 Nov 2017, 16:19

The Ireland-Sweden game I went to last year at the Euros is among the worst I've ever been to...fingers crossed for our Danish neighbours as well!
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Postby Diamond Dog » 14 Nov 2017, 16:25

All four are clear penalties.
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The Modernist wrote:
PENK wrote:Watch 4 again G and focus on Darmian rather than the ball. He jumps into the defender; he is the one who initiates contact regardless of the defender’s position. The defender has already blocked the ball away before the collision.
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He has, but the ball hasn't been cleared, it is still there to be won. You say he jumped into the player, but I think it looks as if Darmain is jumping towards the ball but is blocked by the defender's leg/knee. This obstruction could certainly be deemed a foul. But it's a classic case of a 50/50 decision, it could be given either way.


He is not jumping towards the ball, though, because Lustig has blocked the ball which is bouncing off in a different direction.

If he knocks the ball past Lustig then collides with him then it’s probably a penalty even though it was Darmian who initiated the contact.

But Lustig blocked the ball before contact was made. And it’s a contact sport after all.

Of course the referee actually gave Sweden a free kick for handball, which was also obviously wrong!
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Postby Diamond Dog » 14 Nov 2017, 20:19

Ireland defending like chumps. Two quick goals for Denmark.
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Postby Rayge » 14 Nov 2017, 21:06

OK, you're through, now get tintin off the pitch before those thugs break him.
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby PENK » 14 Nov 2017, 21:11

I guess we should feel bad for our Irish cousins or something but personally I'm glad they won't be there. The last couple of times they've qualified for the Euros they've been absolutely abysmal and stunk the place out. England's turgidity and timidity married to a dearth of talent and tactics does not make for pretty viewing.
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Re: World Cup 2018 - Rossiya

Postby Dr Markus » 14 Nov 2017, 21:27

Fuck, harsh there boys. If youse wanna swap players and think your coach can do better, go ahead.
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Postby Goat Boy » 14 Nov 2017, 22:11

PENK wrote:I guess we should feel bad for our Irish cousins or something but personally I'm glad they won't be there. The last couple of times they've qualified for the Euros they've been absolutely abysmal and stunk the place out. England's turgidity and timidity married to a dearth of talent and tactics does not make for pretty viewing.


They’ve had a good run and should be grateful for that. I find them a tedious football nation generally who produce turgid sides.
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