Geert Wilders or Trump?

[PresMuffley]

A conundrum.

[jimboo]

Donny has the shittier hair ( close though )

[PresMuffley]

Geert looks more sinister to me, but maybe by sinister I just mean ugly.

[Spock!]

See you and raise.








Michael Gove.







I have started a campaign to promote the word govian as an English equivalent for the German word that means "A face that needs punching"

[PresMuffley]

He looks like a petulant ten-year-old locked in a fifty-year-old's face. Or something like that... very punchable, though.

Is there actually a German word for this?

[Your Friendly Neighbourhood Postman]

He looks like a petulant ten-year-old locked in a fifty-year-old's face. Or something like that... very punchable, though.

Is there actually a German word for this?

You mean this?

[PresMuffley]

Nah, I was talking about Gove, not Geert. I'm not sure what that's reminiscent of, but it does gross me out.

[Fonz]

Gene Wilder.

Any day of the week.

[PresMuffley]

For some moments in life, there are no words. Run along now.

[Spock!]

He looks like a petulant ten-year-old locked in a fifty-year-old's face. Or something like that... very punchable, though.

Is there actually a German word for this?

Backpfeifengesicht apparently means "a face that should be slapped/punched". So, govian it is!

[PresMuffley]

The Atlantic has it translated as "a face badly in need of a fist".

I can dig it.

[PresMuffley]

Hope the fucker losses today.

[Your Friendly Neighbourhood Postman]

Hope the fucker losses today.

He will lose. In the broad sense. He did lose a lot of sympathy over the past weeks, which is reflected in the latest polls. Also: his main rival, our current PM Mark Rutte, got a lot of sympathy for his stance in the row with Erdogan.

Even if Wilders would rake in some 20 seats in the new parliament: all significant other parties have firmly ruled out any collaboration with him, in the coming goverment.

At best, he's in for a major but toothless opposition role - though I must say that I base this on my contention that he can no longer hide the fact that he played the advocate for the poor and elderly, but actually always voted for all neoliberal cuts in our social institutions.

That his army of fans never even seemed to grasp this cold fact, or chose to live in the highly fictional world of mr. Wilders, doesn't really speak for their intelligence.

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/14/spa ... -election/

https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2017/03/13/g ... r-get-out/

[naughty boy]

Wilders is a nasty fucker - really dislikeable. He leaves Trump in the dirt when it comes to personality defects.

[Goat Boy]

I know very little about Wilders but he looks like some public school bully

[naughty boy]

Yeah. It's more calculated with him, there's a real black hole at his centre. He's the sort of cunt who genuinely thinks Muslims are inferior beings, he called Moroccans 'scum'.

For all his faults, at least with Nellie you could imagine sitting down with him. He talks a lot of shit, he's misguided, but you don't get the sense he's fired up about any particular issue. He's not monomaniacal like Wilders.

[Your Friendly Neighbourhood Postman]

Wilders is a nasty fucker - really dislikeable. He leaves Trump in the dirt when it comes to personality defects.

Defects is the right term.

He has mental issues - there are few calm observers who doubt this. He suffers from tunnel vision, cognitive dissonance. He doesn't seem to perceive that his own attitudes are enormously contradictory to each other.

He is fanatically pro-Israel; and feverishly supports the cause of the Jewish. But at the same time he adores Jean-Marie Le Pen and his daughter, Marine. Who never hid their antisemitism.

His party, the PVV, is unique, in that is has no democratic structure. Wilders is its Leader. And tyrant. He is known for putting his subordinates under extreme stress. He has fits of anger if someone doesn't reply to a (always highly authoritarian and unforgiving) email immediately.

Wilders is the only member of his party, which actually functions like a foundation, not a political party. His sources of income are mostly unknown, and Wilders always refused to reveal them - though it is a public secret that he gets cash from US and Israel sources (literally - there is this notorious story of him schlepping a case filled to the brim with dollars, probably, around). Two weeks ago, news from the USA reached our shores that David Horowitz, an billionaire and activist on the extreme right, has been funding Wilders, under the pretext of helping W. to pay for his lawyers during his court cases - which also can be read as: Wilders needs those court cases to get money from outside, IMHO).

Actually, Dutch parties are obliged to reveal all income above a certain, and quite low, level - for one reason or another, Wilders was never taken to task about his refusing this.

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Now, about his youth -

few serious observers doubt that Wilders still bears serious scars from his school years. In fact, he is of Indonesian descent (at least in part); and in younger days, this was obvious in his appearance. He was bullied about this in very ugly ways - his class mates called him 'the nigger of Venlo'.

(I myself was born in Venlo, and am only 4 years older than Wilders (54 now). I can't recall a broad tendency towards discrimination in my city, then. People from Indonesia weren't looked down upon, is my recollection. On the other hand: Wilders and I never crossed paths, so our environments were different by definition, then - but it may be said that his being bullied so badly could have been an isolated, and therefore an even more sad case, for he may not have had fellow sufferers to find comfort with.)

Did he internalize the bullying, and his victimhood, and later project these traumas onto other, easily identifiable people, say, Muslims?

My amateur reply would be: yes.

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Finally: here is a piccie of Wilders in his young days. Please compare it to the other photo I posted:

[PresMuffley]

Very interesting info about his background. I had no idea. It doesn't lessen my dislike for him, but it does put a slightly more human face on an otherwise monstrous speciman.

Our right-wing kook politicians certainly seem to have found common ground with him:



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/12/steve-king-iowa-congressman-geert-wilders-immigration

[Goat Boy]

He looks like some cunt from the 18th Century with that hair.

[PresMuffley]

He would probably prefer that you refer to him as a 17th century cunt. Those were the good times.