Cates vs Kate (NSFW)

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I got jumped on at work the other day when, while others were discussing the royal wedding, I casually commented that it seems like Buckwheat, being King of England and, ought be able to find a better looking bride to be.
Not that the girl's homely or anything, far from it. But you know, meh.
Which prompted Dale to say, "Well, she's ten times better looking than Phoebe. Cates."
Madness of course. Cates placing in the top five of best-ever girls ever and all.
But, I leave it to the BCB to settle the great international Cate/Kate debate.

[The Dríver]

I don't think Kate Middleton is anything special. She's not a munter by any stretch of the imagination, but she's no great beauty either.

Phoebe Cates would get my vote. And indeed, has.

[Quaco]

Kate Moss is great too (which is who I thought you were talking about until I read your whole post). Too much is made of her thinness and waif-like quality and effect on (or pandering to) the thinness obsession in fashion. She's a great icon and she'd get my vote.

[straw mimsy]

I think she's quite plain, but who knows, maybe she was picked for personality. I don't much care, though, apart from hoping they will be happy, like any young couple.

Still (QUITE OFF TOPIC), I've always had a bit of an internal war with Catherine's spelled with a C. I am Katherine with a K. I guess it stems of being told in the first week of school that I had to now be referred to as "Katy" because there was Catherine in the class, and one couldn't shorten her name as easily as mine. Since then I spell Katie, IE, and have found that Catherine's are invariably plain and a bit wussy. I feel the same about her.

[Quaco]

I think she's quite plain, but who knows, maybe she was picked for personality. I don't much care, though, apart from hoping they will be happy, like any young couple.

Still (QUITE OFF TOPIC), I've always had a bit of an internal war with Catherine's spelled with a C. I am Katherine with a K. I guess it stems of being told in the first week of school that I had to now be referred to as "Katy" because there was Catherine in the class, and one couldn't shorten her name as easily as mine. Since then I spell Katie, IE, and have found that Catherine's are invariably plain and a bit wussy. I feel the same about her.

What would have been so hard about her shortening her name to "Cathy"? Seems like a pretty stupid excuse to me. I can understand you feeling a little weird about it.

No doubt about it, the K is more striking than the C. Though Catherine has a very regal sound to it...

[Charlie O.]

Each to his (or her) own. I think the princess-to-be is a honey.

[John Mc]

Phoebe Cates would get my vote. And indeed, has.

Bof! So what's to write home about?

[Polishgirl]

Phoebe Cates would get my vote. And indeed, has.

Bof! So what's to write home about?

Nothing to write home about. Unless you LIKE looking at young, undeveloped women, in really quite an exploitative way....if THAT'S your bag, you write home about it all you like - you only need one hand to hold your pen, anyway....

[Polishgirl]

But back to the point WITHOUT blokes posting pictures of tits..

I wouldn't agree that Kate Middleton is plain. I think she's quite a pretty girl, if rather bland. But that's sort of her job really, isn't it? I think it's possible for men and/or women to be aesthetically attractive but not necessarily with any great sex appeal ,and I think Ms Middleton fits into that category quite comfortably.

What she's doing with HIM, however, I cannot even begin to fathom...

[Hugh]

Apart from the supposition that the future king of the UK is in an advantageous position to bag himself a hot wife, what does it matter whether Kate Middleton is a hottie or not? They are long time friends and have weathered a few storms and appear to have come out of them with a renewed love for each other. Good luck to them.

[John Mc]

Nothing to write home about. Unless you LIKE looking at young, undeveloped women, in really quite an exploitative way....if THAT'S your bag, you write home about it all you like - you only need one hand to hold your pen, anyway....

Well, I am duly (and probably fairly) chastised, and I understand the charge of cheap sexism! Mea maxima culpa! However, I somehow do manage to live with my inner adolescent these days, life's too short to repent of that. But conversely, I've read my De Beauvoir, Kristeva, Irigaray, Cixous et al.... personally I can manage to reconcile that dichotomy!

But, that apart, a serious answer for you - let me ask you about that phrase:

'aesthetically attractive but not necessarily with any great sex appeal'.

Serious question -

1. Can we ever totally divorce the two (at least subjectively)?

and

2. Since there can only be either a cultural or social concensus on an aesthetic, who can answer the question? I care little for this royal guy, but why would he seek out a middle-aged American actor (who I remember fondly not - despite my previous cheap shot - for her tits but for her humour in 'Gremlins' ). The British class (and power) system doesn't work quite like that.

[Magilla]

She's not a munter by any stretch of the imagination...

"Hey bro, no one is as great a Munter as I am - I am the mighty Munter, bro !"

("Munter" in NZ means someone very keen on booze and drugs, "munted" means badly damaged).

[Polishgirl]

But, that apart, a serious answer for you - let me ask you about that phrase:

'aesthetically attractive but not necessarily with any great sex appeal'.

Serious question -

1. Can we ever totally divorce the two (at least subjectively)?

and

2. Since there can only be either a cultural or social concensus on an aesthetic, who can answer the question? I care little for this royal guy, but why would he seek out a middle-aged American actor (who I remember fondly not - despite my previous cheap shot - for her tits but for her humour in 'Gremlins' ). The British class (and power) system doesn't work quite like that.

1) Well, we're all different but personally, I think it's perfectly possible to divorce the two. For example, I can look at Brad Pitt and see that he is a very handsome man but, for whatever reason, he just doesn't get me going. On the flipside of that, I see Hugh Laurie, who is not a classic "heartthrob" and is an older man who looks his age, and I find him utterly alluring.

It's a bit like looking at a beautifully decorated cake and thinking " Gosh, that's a pretty cake" but not actually liking cake or wanting to eat it...and opting for a lovely packet of rich tea biscuits instead.

2) And you're right on this one; look at what happened with Prince Andrew and Koo Stark. The most radical thing that you can say about Kate Middleton, is that she's a commoner and doesn't come from aristocracy. ( However, I hate all the stuff in the press along the lines of "Oooh, Kate: she's just a normal girl". No she isn't. Her parents are millionaires. That's not my idea of "normal"). So it's not an "either/or" in any realistic sense but just some kind of random, theoretical exercise on the part of us BCB weirdoes...

[Footy]

Phoebe Cates would get my vote. And indeed, has.

Bof! So what's to write home about?

Nothing to write home about. Unless you LIKE looking at young, undeveloped women, in really quite an exploitative way....if THAT'S your bag, you write home about it all you like - you only need one hand to hold your pen, anyway....

The girl, of course, is not exploiting us late middle-age chaps at all by getting her fabulously pert young norks out, is she?

How readily, how publicly she reveals them....in return for a handsome wad of cash, no doubt, too. Poor exploited little baba.

Being culturally inept, I've no idea who she is but she does have smashing tits.

[sensi]

I think she's a very attractive young woman...incredibly cute dimples.

They are just two young people in love...I just hope the lass is left alone and not stuck on a pedestal and driven to gin

[Your Friendly Neighbourhood Postman]

I think she's a very attractive young woman...incredibly cute dimples.

They are just two young people in love...I just hope the lass is left alone and not stuck on a pedestal and driven to gin

Wise words. The dangers of being a addicted celeb nutcase in the future are, alas, grave. I wouldn't want to trade with any royal for the life of me, not for any money and luxury in the world. It's an alienated, unreal, and perhaps psychotic life, without privacy, but with the possibility, every day, of the media grinding you to bits. No sane mind can stand up to that in the long run, you get inevitably corrupted.

[Goat Boy]

Kates an above average looking lass but nothing special whereas Phoebe was a masturbation fantasy of mine for years...uber cuteness.

[Your Friendly Neighbourhood Postman]

Kates an above average looking lass but nothing special whereas Phoebe was a masturbation fantasy of mine for years...uber cuteness.

...and that leads me to stating that I prefer common people. I always get highly suspicious when I see blindingly beautiful persons, adored by all, up to the point of submission and slavery. Vanity rules, and so does utter manipulation. And the inevitable aging process makes those pearls vicious, aggressive, and depressive in their later years - to be avoided.

[Bungo the Mungo]

And the inevitable aging process makes those pearls vicious, aggressive, and depressive in their later years - to be avoided.

Crikey. You really think?

[Your Friendly Neighbourhood Postman]

And the inevitable aging process makes those pearls vicious, aggressive, and depressive in their later years - to be avoided.

Crikey. You really think?

Yes. Such is life.