Guy E wrote: I’m sure they share a love for many of the same influences.
They both admire Doc Pomus, one of the finest songwriters ever. Make of that what you will.
Guy E wrote: I’m sure they share a love for many of the same influences.
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Objectively speaking, Brian Wilson had a greater command of melody, arrangement and production than Lou Reed. Reed was a better lyricist ( I say was, because he is a pretentious twat now) . The best Beach Boys records are simply more inventive than the best Velvets records.
Snarfyguy wrote:I wonder what all the talk about being "able to relate to" an artist or a work of art means.
Davey can't relate to Lou Reed's protagonist, as they don't have much in common, and indeed why should he have to?
I can't "relate" to Monet's haystacks, although they're sublimely evocative renderings and some of the best, most moving art I've ever seen.
So why do should we have to "relate" to the subject matter?
the science eel experiment wrote:Jesus Christ can't save BCB, i believe i can.
Jeff K wrote: Where would Brian be without the input of Gary Usher, Van Dyke Parks and the Wrecking Crew?
Jeff K wrote:Davey seems to be ignoring the fact that the Beach Boys had many talented people outside the band helping them out whereas the Velvets more or less went it alone. I don't consider Warhol making little suggestions here and there as making a major contribution to their music. Where would Brian be without the input of Gary Usher, Van Dyke Parks and the Wrecking Crew?
Lance Matthew wrote: Are you gonna bring up the Monkees argument now, too?
the science eel experiment wrote:Jesus Christ can't save BCB, i believe i can.
Jeff K wrote:Davey seems to be ignoring the fact that the Beach Boys had many talented people outside the band helping them out whereas the Velvets more or less went it alone.
the science eel experiment wrote:Jesus Christ can't save BCB, i believe i can.
Jeff K wrote:Jeff K wrote:Davey seems to be ignoring the fact that the Beach Boys had many talented people outside the band helping them out whereas the Velvets more or less went it alone.
This is what makes me laugh about the Brian disciples. No one will admit that this is basically a true statement. I'm not saying it's wrong that the Beach Boys had more outside help but they did make it easier for Brian to accomplish what he wanted to accomplish. The Velvets never had that advantage. Brian may be a genius but he's a genius with a little help from his friends. How is that disputable?
Jeff K wrote:Jeff K wrote:Davey seems to be ignoring the fact that the Beach Boys had many talented people outside the band helping them out whereas the Velvets more or less went it alone.
This is what makes me laugh about the Brian disciples. No one will admit that this is basically a true statement. I'm not saying it's wrong that the Beach Boys had more outside help but they did make it easier for Brian to accomplish what he wanted to accomplish. The Velvets never had that advantage. Brian may be a genius but he's a genius with a little help from his friends. How is that disputable?
Lance Matthew wrote: Reed sure used them on his solo records once he split the band though.
the science eel experiment wrote:Jesus Christ can't save BCB, i believe i can.
Jeff K wrote:Lance Matthew wrote: Reed sure used them on his solo records once he split the band though.
Of course he's going to use session musicians on his solo albums. What else is he supposed to do, play all the instruments himself?
Jeff K wrote:Not at all. I love TG. I might be the only one on BCB who does but I don't care.
Jeff K wrote:Jeff K wrote:Davey seems to be ignoring the fact that the Beach Boys had many talented people outside the band helping them out whereas the Velvets more or less went it alone.
This is what makes me laugh about the Brian disciples. No one will admit that this is basically a true statement. I'm not saying it's wrong that the Beach Boys had more outside help but they did make it easier for Brian to accomplish what he wanted to accomplish. The Velvets never had that advantage. Brian may be a genius but he's a genius with a little help from his friends. How is that disputable?
Sea Of Tunes v2.0 wrote:Oh, as I Brian disciple I agree with the above. I even seem to recall that Sagittarius epic 'My World Fell Down' predated 'Good Vibrations' and 'Heroes and Villains'. So Usher, Boettcher and co. did provide Wilson with some good hints - listen via phones and see the similarities. Millennium's 'Begin' is also a case in point, although I can't pinpoint the exact release date from here. California's musicians surely were more of a large 'posse' than New York's were, if one compares the BBs and the VU.
But Wilson was able to do the right things at the right time, on a larger scale than the aforementioned musicians. He called in Tony Asher to voice his own emotions and insecurities in love, and Asher succeeded. Parks was meant to give a voice to the Grand American Dreamscape that SMiLE should have become. Again, a perfect choice. Mike Love, his primary lyricist up to 1966, was not pleased. This, and Wilsons mounting mental instability and drug use made great and unified projects impossible from then on.
And Wilson really was the musical director of the Wrecking Crew whenever he used them. Tack piano, empty Sparklett's bottles - whichever account you read or hear, he had the sounds in his head before they were actually produced by one of the musicians.
the science eel experiment wrote:Jesus Christ can't save BCB, i believe i can.
Griff wrote:The notion that Jeremy Corbyn, a lifelong vocal proponent of antisemitism, would stand in front of an antisemitic mural and commend it is utterly preposterous.
Copehead wrote:a right wing cretin like Berger....bleating about racism
The Champion wrote:Can you imagine if he'd been presented with Sister Ray "Sucking on my ding dong? I'm not singing that! What happened to that song you wrote about the car?"
the science eel experiment wrote:Jesus Christ can't save BCB, i believe i can.
Snarfyguy wrote:I wonder what all the talk about being "able to relate to" an artist or a work of art means.
Davey can't relate to Lou Reed's protagonist, as they don't have much in common, and indeed why should he have to?
I can't "relate" to Monet's haystacks, although they're sublimely evocative renderings and some of the best, most moving art I've ever seen.
So why do should we have to "relate" to the subject matter?