Supergrass Vs The Manic Street Preachers

[copehead]

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Anyway, Richard III is playing now - it's a fucking great track. It is everything a good rock track should be. I feel like I could climb Mount Everest at the moment, listing to this.

See that's the difference for me. You can find lots of heavy riffing in Manics tracks, but have they ever done anything as exciting as that? I don't think so.

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Tish and tosh, what rot.

Richard III is a good song on a good album, Sun Hits the Sky is even better on the cusp of their change from novelty punk/pop to rock tedium, but the MSP have a dozen or more better songs and Supergrass' lack of imagination and ambition is deeply depressing.

A song like 4st 7lbs is more interesting, on its own, than Supergrass' entire career.

You know that is true.

Supergrass is alright (!) for people who like bland chirpy rock music, for people who value lack of ambition and never taking a risk. I imagine they attract the same sort of people who like the Stereophonics and Cast - competent, sometimes inpired, but usually dull, safety first, rock music. that is their natural peer group.

The Manics are in a different class; musically, lyrically and rocktastically they are the better band.

[The Modernist]

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Anyway, Richard III is playing now - it's a fucking great track. It is everything a good rock track should be. I feel like I could climb Mount Everest at the moment, listing to this.

See that's the difference for me. You can find lots of heavy riffing in Manics tracks, but have they ever done anything as exciting as that? I don't think so.

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Tish and tosh, what rot.

Richard III is a good song on a good album, Sun Hits the Sky is even better on the cusp of their change from novelty punk/pop to rock tedium, but the MSP have a dozen or more better songs and Supergrass' lack of imagination and ambition is deeply depressing.

A song like 4st 7lbs is more interesting, on its own, than Supergrass' entire career.

You know that is true.

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I most certainly do not!
Because something has serious content you seem to believe that automatically makes it worthier in some way -nonsense!
What I prize in the best of Supergrass, a natural and exhuberant melodic touch, a winning spontaneity, are precisely the qualities TMSP so often lack. Instead things like the track you mention are the musical equivalent of a dour and humourless Welsh presbytarian preacher - doom mongering, laborious and no fun at all.
Anyway, I've said about all I can on this issue.

[The Red Heifer]

Everyone in this thread is either giving the MSP too much credit or not enough. They're not as great as Copehead claims, but they're certainly not as bad as the usual suspects feel

[Leg of lamb]

See that's the difference for me. You can find lots of heavy riffing in Manics tracks, but have they ever done anything as exciting as that? I don't think so.

Tish and tosh, what rot.

Richard III is a good song on a good album, Sun Hits the Sky is even better on the cusp of their change from novelty punk/pop to rock tedium, but the MSP have a dozen or more better songs and Supergrass' lack of imagination and ambition is deeply depressing.

A song like 4st 7lbs is more interesting, on its own, than Supergrass' entire career.

You know that is true.

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I most certainly do not!
Because something has serious content you seem to believe that automatically makes it worthier in some way -nonsense!
What I prize in the best of Supergrass, a natural and exhuberant melodic touch, a winning spontaneity, are precisely the qualities TMSP so often lack. Instead things like the track you mention are the musical equivalent of a dour and humourless Welsh presbytarian preacher - doom mongering, laborious and no fun at all.
Anyway, I've said about all I can on this issue.

'4st 7lb' is better than anything I've heard from Supergrass. Not because it's worthier or weightier, but because it's vital and I've heard nothing else like it.

[copehead]

I most certainly do not!
Because something has serious content you seem to believe that automatically makes it worthier in some way -nonsense!
What I prize in the best of Supergrass, a natural and exhuberant melodic touch, a winning spontaneity, are precisely the qualities TMSP so often lack. Instead things like the track you mention are the musical equivalent of a dour and humourless Welsh presbytarian preacher - doom mongering, laborious and no fun at all.
Anyway, I've said about all I can on this issue.

'4st 7lb' is better than anything I've heard from Supergrass. Not because it's worthier or weightier, but because it's vital and I've heard nothing else like it.

Word.

It is a rarity for bands to be inventive either lyrically or musically in the pop business, when people make the effort they should be cherised.

In fact you should all be getting down on your knees and worshipping a band who can make as song as vital, visceral, disturbing and thought provoking as 4st 7lbs.

That's an interesting question; has any rock band been both musically and lyrically inventive and adventurous?

Later period Beatles, Roxy Music, David Bowie, VU, Smiths ( how musically inventive were they?)

Songs about taking drugs and driving cars have their place but sometimes you want something that stimulates the grey matter and the ROCK hemisphere of the brain.

Well I do anyway.

[yomptepi]

I most certainly do not!
Because something has serious content you seem to believe that automatically makes it worthier in some way -nonsense!
What I prize in the best of Supergrass, a natural and exhuberant melodic touch, a winning spontaneity, are precisely the qualities TMSP so often lack. Instead things like the track you mention are the musical equivalent of a dour and humourless Welsh presbytarian preacher - doom mongering, laborious and no fun at all.
Anyway, I've said about all I can on this issue.

'4st 7lb' is better than anything I've heard from Supergrass. Not because it's worthier or weightier, but because it's vital and I've heard nothing else like it.

Word.

It is a rarity for bands to be inventive either lyrically or musically in the pop business, when people make the effort they should be cherised.

In fact you should all be getting down on your knees and worshipping a band who can make as song as vital, visceral, disturbing and thought provoking as 4st 7lbs.

That's an interesting question; has any rock band been both musically and lyrically inventive and adventurous?

Later period Beatles, Roxy Music, David Bowie, VU, Smiths ( how musically inventive were they?)

Songs about taking drugs and driving cars have their place but sometimes you want something that stimulates the grey matter and the ROCK hemisphere of the brain.

Well I do anyway.

Leg of Lamb is Welsh. Of course he prefers the Manics. It is his national duty to do so. No matter how bombastic, naive and stupid they are. They made one great record, the Holy Bible...which is all but unlistenable. The rest is horrible AOR dumbness, with the words written by a deluded fourth former. Only a welshman could like them.

[the masked man]

Everyone in this thread is either giving the MSP too much credit or not enough. They're not as great as Copehead claims, but they're certainly not as bad as the usual suspects feel

Well, yes, of course. But improbable hyperbole is what makes this thread so compulsive!

[Count Machuki]

...improbable hyperbole is what makes this thread the greatest single discussion in the history of BCB!!!

I couldn't agree more, dammit!!!!

[Corporate whore]

Bloody hell - 13 pages!

Both champions league bands, the manics have had the best highs, but I voted Supergrass because;

a) Of the two they are the better live act
b) Of the two, they are the ones I would like to have a night on the tiles with.

[king feeb]

...improbable hyperbole is what makes this thread the greatest single discussion in the history of BCB!!!

I couldn't agree more, dammit!!!!

No it's all bloody rubbish, and I have the mathematical formulae to prove it!

[River Man]

Supergrass's debut is fantastic and deserves the praise but I must admit although I've not heard all the albums I find their singles collection to be evenly divided between brilliance and crap. Not so the Manics Forever Delayed collection and unlike most here I don't rate Holy Bible (rarely feel the need to play it) but still love This is my Truth, Tell Me yours, Lifeblood and Send away the Tigers. If these are AOR then I'm an AOR convert.

[yomptepi]

Supergrass's debut is fantastic and deserves the praise but I must admit although I've not heard all the albums I find their singles collection to be evenly divided between brilliance and crap. Not so the Manics Forever Delayed collection and unlike most here I don't rate Holy Bible (rarely feel the need to play it) but still love This is my Truth, Tell Me yours, Lifeblood and Send away the Tigers. If these are AOR then I'm an AOR convert.

* feins shock *

[River Man]

Supergrass's debut is fantastic and deserves the praise but I must admit although I've not heard all the albums I find their singles collection to be evenly divided between brilliance and crap. Not so the Manics Forever Delayed collection and unlike most here I don't rate Holy Bible (rarely feel the need to play it) but still love This is my Truth, Tell Me yours, Lifeblood and Send away the Tigers. If these are AOR then I'm an AOR convert.

* feins shock *

It must come as quite a blow.

[copehead]

Supergrass's debut is fantastic and deserves the praise but I must admit although I've not heard all the albums I find their singles collection to be evenly divided between brilliance and crap. Not so the Manics Forever Delayed collection and unlike most here I don't rate Holy Bible (rarely feel the need to play it) but still love This is my Truth, Tell Me yours, Lifeblood and Send away the Tigers. If these are AOR then I'm an AOR convert.

You an' me Riv, you an' me.

And Leg of Lamb and 15 others of course.

I have to say that The Holy Bible is the album of theirs I listen to least, I admire it more than I love it. But it is a useful tool with which to beat Supergrass fans as it shits all over most of their work and it is critically aclaimed so the BCB snobrockers find it hard to criticise it. Even Yompy has to make the claim that it is a great record before roundly condemning the rest of their, far more listenable, catalogue.

[Bungo the Mungo]

I have to say that The Holy Bible is the album of theirs I listen to least, I admire it more than I love it

useful tool

it is critically aclaimed

It sounds as dull as dishwater. Music for pseuds if ever there was.

[yomptepi]

it is critically aclaimed

It sounds as dull as dishwater. Music for pseuds if ever there was.

It is a visceral and distressing set. Certainly not easy listening. The only reason it isn't a classic album is because, as always, the singing is shit.

[Magilla]

Superarse are mediocre twaddle, about as original and and exciting as those toss-wads Ocean Colour Scene. They are boring, dull, bland.

The Manics, well, they're not exactly trailblazers either, but there's a degree of danger and urgency to their music that Suparse simply don't have.

[Minnie the Minx]

I tried to listen to the Manics once, and three chords in the blistering self of how impressed they were with themselves permeated through to my bones which all fragmented in horror and I have been left with a limp ever since.


Now this thread needs to go to classic threads, where blood can be spilt and wisdom teeth spat out majestically and heroically without getting inbetween 'playing now' and 'what the fuck is wrong with my ipod' threads.


Sooopergrass foweva

[The Red Heifer]

it is critically aclaimed

It sounds as dull as dishwater. Music for pseuds if ever there was.

It is a visceral and distressing set. Certainly not easy listening. The only reason it isn't a classic album is because, as always, the singing is shit.

The singing is probably the weakest part of the album. I do love it, but as you just said, it's something you don't listen to everyday.

[copehead]

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It sounds as dull as dishwater. Music for pseuds if ever there was.

As someone who doesn't get Unknown Pleasures I think we can safely ignore your "input" on difficult and distressing music, especially seeing as you don't even appear to have heard the album in question.