Drugs. What have been our greatest burn out tragedies?
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Drugs. What have been our greatest burn out tragedies?
We can speculate all we want about what Hendrix might have done had he lived on, and many other fatalities. But what about those who have continued to breathe and walk this earth who have their circuits fried? Would there be a greater awareness of Sly Stone's visionary abilities if he'd been able to continue, f'rinstance?
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A lot of burnouts, burnt out because they had done all that they were ever going to do.
Much as I love Syd Barrett I am unsure as to whether he would have produced anymore great music. Ian Curtis may be in this group as well and Mr mojo Rising
Jimmi Hendrix may have though, and Cobain .
Much as I love Syd Barrett I am unsure as to whether he would have produced anymore great music. Ian Curtis may be in this group as well and Mr mojo Rising
Jimmi Hendrix may have though, and Cobain .
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I regret that coke took away SRVs best years, although at least he did clean up in time for us to catch some of him at his best.
Paul Kossoff. We can only guess at how good Free could have been if he had been on top of his game.They were pretty feckin good anyway.
Im never sure about Little Feat and Lowell.Was it the drugs that finished him?I really like the later stuff anyway, so I dont know what would have happened, and how different they would have been.
Paul Kossoff. We can only guess at how good Free could have been if he had been on top of his game.They were pretty feckin good anyway.
Im never sure about Little Feat and Lowell.Was it the drugs that finished him?I really like the later stuff anyway, so I dont know what would have happened, and how different they would have been.
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Comrade Copehead wrote:Much as I love Syd Barrett I am unsure as to whether he would have produced anymore great music.
I am. What people seem to miss about Piper is that the playing/band chemistry is great, or sounds great. There's a real fire there and I think it would've taken them further.
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Re: Drugs. What have been our greatest burn out tragedies?
Sambient wrote:Would there be a greater awareness of Sly Stone's visionary abilities if he'd been able to continue, f'rinstance?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Sly & The Family Stone could have been the Beatles of the 1970s, if Sylvester could have kept his head (and band) together. Granted, we wouldn't have had There's A Riot Goin' On, but I think what we would have had instead would have much more than compensated. For me, he tops the list.
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Id be interested to know what Pete thinks about the effect that the heroin had on Pages output.Certainly, his post Zep output took a pretty dramatic downturn for about 10 years.On the other hand, Clapton seemed to get more technically proficient, but a lot less interesting once he gave up the h and the booze.
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Granted, we wouldn't have had There's A Riot Goin' On, but I think what we would have had instead would have much more than compensated. For me, he tops the list.
Thats the question. Would you sacrifice a short period of great albums they made while high in exchange for a long period of drug-free (possibly inferior) albums.
No heroin, no Exile. No acid, no Smile.
I know what my answer would be.
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Tactful Cactus wrote:No heroin, no Exile. No acid, no Smile.
Well, there WAS no Smile!
It's all conjecture, of course. But the records show that Brian Wilson and Sly Stone were growing creatively by leaps and bounds before drugs. I've no doubt that they would have come up with something exceptional regardless.
(You may be right about Exile, though.)
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Charlie O. wrote:It's all conjecture, of course. But the records show that Brian Wilson ... were growing creatively by leaps and bounds before drugs...
Sure, he was growing musically, but he lacked vision. It was all girls, surfing and cars. Like he says himself, he milked that motherfucker dry.
The first Beach Boys drug infleunced album was (I believe) Today! Particularly the second side. If a bit of pot opened him up enough to write more introspective songs like In the back of my mind then he clearly needed drugs to grow as a songwriter.
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Tactful Cactus wrote:Charlie O. wrote:It's all conjecture, of course. But the records show that Brian Wilson ... were growing creatively by leaps and bounds before drugs...
Sure, he was growing musically, but he lacked vision. It was all girls, surfing and cars. Like he says himself, he milked that motherfucker dry.
The first Beach Boys drug infleunced album was (I believe) Today! Particularly the second side. If a bit of pot opened him up enough to write more introspective songs like In the back of my mind then he clearly needed drugs to grow as a songwriter.
I'm still not convinced. Today was also his first album after retiring from the road - maybe that's what he needed to grow as a songwriter? (In any event, he generally didn't write the lyrics. Plus, he was listening to what the Beatles and others were doing, so the surf/car formula's days were probably numbered regardless.)
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Boogie on Reggae Baron wrote:Comrade Copehead wrote:Much as I love Syd Barrett I am unsure as to whether he would have produced anymore great music.
I am. What people seem to miss about Piper is that the playing/band chemistry is great, or sounds great. There's a real fire there and I think it would've taken them further.
There was that interview with him from 1971 posted on here recently where he said him and the others had been moving in opposite directions since the word go, so I think a split was inevitable.
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andymacandy wrote:Id be interested to know what Pete thinks about the effect that the heroin had on Pages output.Certainly, his post Zep output took a pretty dramatic downturn for about 10 years.On the other hand, Clapton seemed to get more technically proficient, but a lot less interesting once he gave up the h and the booze.
I'm of the opinion more and more that Jimmy hasn't really written a great song since "Achilles Last Stand" - which was written in 75/76. If you ever get the chance to see the Earls Court DVD from '75 and compare it with the Seattle DVD of 77, the effect is quite shocking. He had really gone - there are very few (if any) nights from 77 that match 75. I think Heroin was the 'icing' on the cake - he didn't really indulge until the 77 tour (I believe). From there on, it's rapidly downhill.
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