The sampling debate

[Deebank]

"Andy Weatherall can mix records together backwards. Can Eric Clapton play his guitar solos backwards, for instance?"

Yes, I think he probably can

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The point (*neeeeeeeow*) was that I saw him do this and it was hugely entertaining and an exceptional piece of DJing (I'm sure that Bleep would be much more able than me to describe the actual process involved and the ins and outs), an interesting and inventive way of using sounds and music.

Evidently, you weren't as entertained by your Clapton concert, unfortunately. At least, you think not... Age is a terrible thing.

[Deebank]

:roll:

The point (*neeeeeeeow*) was that I saw him do this and it was hugely entertaining and an exceptional piece of DJing (I'm sure that Bleep would be much more able than me to describe the actual process involved and the ins and outs), an interesting and inventive way of using sounds and music.

Evidently, you weren't as entertained by your Clapton concert, unfortunately. At least, you think not... Age is a terrible thing.

Nope, I'm pleased to report i've never seen "God" play live, it was just an educated guess that he could probably play his solos backwards.

The most exciting thing 'Old Slowhand' (I wonder what qualified him for that moniker? He probably spent hours in the loo as a teenager) ever did was take smack - but not nearly enough in my book.

PS - you're probably older than me.

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Yeah, I kinda figured EC wasn't your style.

As for the age thing, just a (shit) gag, mate, it makes not one iota of difference to me how old you (or anyone) is.

[The Write Profile]

There's plenty of really godawful guitar bands out there, too... How easy would it be to train a chimp to strum 3 chords and mumble "Hard To Explain" a few times? Instant hit record...

One thing I would like to say is that I'd much rather learn to play a guitar than mix a disc. I don't know, it seems more organic, which kind of highlights my contradiction when it comes to music.

But as Iam alluded to here, sampling can be an example of songwriting if used correctly, because if placed in the right situtation it becomes the song. The Go! Team are current favourite example of that. Personally, I quite like a mix between both instrumentation and sampling.

[Ranking Ted]

There's plenty of really godawful guitar bands out there, too... How easy would it be to train a chimp to strum 3 chords and mumble "Hard To Explain" a few times? Instant hit record...

One thing I would like to say is that I'd much rather learn to play a guitar than mix a disc. I don't know, it seems more organic, which kind of highlights my contradiction when it comes to music.

But as Iam alluded to here, sampling can be an example of songwriting if used correctly, because if placed in the right situtation it becomes the song. The Go! Team are current favourite example of that. Personally, I quite like a mix between both instrumentation and sampling.

*coughs* Beastie Boys

[Flash Gordon's Ape]

Think of the inspired use of James Brown on Rebel Without A Pause.

Is that the on where they mix his voice with Miles' trumpet ?

[The Write Profile]

To further add to the confusion of the debate, where do projects like chris' "Revolved" Beatles-mash-up fit into the discussion? Re-mixes too, are another interesting point for discussion.
Do you think that they have the potential to be just as artistically worthy or reverential, if done in the right manner. Or are they too ephemeral to stand on their own?

Personally, I'm quite digging the new version of "Taxman".

[The Write Profile]

When listening to Edan's lastest, one of the things I quite liked about is that the samples were done in such a way that, if you knew the original song, you'd probably recognise it, otherwise it helped form part of the backdrop anyway.

The Avalanches and Go! Team are the best sample-songwriters around at the moment, of course
Sometimes just leaving a sample there in full can be quite clever, particularly if it becomes part of the entire piece: the sampled dialogue from Made in Britain on Skinnyman's album is what makes it work.

Another question is the nature of remixes: should they be considered, as, at best separate from the original work, or merely extensions of it (c.f. Aphex Twin's 26 Mixes For Cash)

Another thing: I think the internet has actually opened up way more areas for sampling than previously because it's easier to take tracks and layer them over oneanother, legal issues be damned