Piper At The Gates Of Dawn (moved from Yakety Yak)

Backslapping time. Well done us. We are fantastic.

Now really....

Singularly amazing, untouchable, etc.
43
68%
Irredeemable dogshit
1
2%
Neither of the above - it's ok if you like that sort of thing
19
30%
 
Total votes: 63

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Piper At The Gates Of Dawn (moved from Yakety Yak)

Postby Piggly Wiggly » 22 Sep 2004, 21:59

I know it like I know my own name, but I am amazed at how FRESH it still sounds.

Barrett's vocals have a crystalline presence, the melodies are EXTREMELY pop and catchy - and yet somehow UNLIKELY and (judging from pop music) all but impossible to imitate.

The playing (especially the guitar work) is nothing short of inspired. Seemingly improvised, but far more pointed and lyrical than such an excercise might normally be in the hands of amateur musicians (as they most assuredly were). As good an argument as any for imagination carrying the day above and beyond skill.

If these vocal and instrumental arrangements were as "slapdash" as received wisdom of the Syd-era Floyd would indicate, it's an approach which apparently yields gold in the right hands.

Lyrically (and musically) there is a playfulness which tempers any possible pretense. Subsequent Floyd whimsy ("Seamus", "Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast") often misses the mark in a most unsatisfying fashion.

Much of Pepper and Smile seems overly formal by comparison.

I know Mr. Jim (for one) has a preference for the seemingly more somber period which follows Barrett's departure and precedes DSOTM, but I'm pretty awed by how ON IT these guys were for Piper and "Emily".

An extremely picturesque record. Even it's few cliches (Rick Wright's modal organ solo on "Mathilda Mother" seems like something he would need a year to get out of his system) are dwarfed by the abundance of originality which surrounds them.

Producer Norman Smith describes the sessions as a "headache", and one certainly gets the impression that the Floyd were an undisciplined group, but.....you can't argue with the result.

I think this record was wildly ahead of it's time, and unlike the Velvet Underground, has proved far more difficult to emulate. Nearly 40 years later, and it's essence has yet to effectively surface in popular music.

One of THE great debuts, no?

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Postby Guest » 22 Sep 2004, 22:02

I think it's one of the greatest rock LP's of all time. The apathy here towards it astounds me.

I think it is full of pop hooks everywhere, is hella fun to listen to even today and the production keeps it fresh and it keeps me coming back.

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Postby king feeb » 22 Sep 2004, 22:11

I love the fuck out of it. I've had it since I was 13 years old, and now 1273 :P years later, I still listen to it on a weekly basis.
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Postby Nikki Gradual » 22 Sep 2004, 22:13

nathan wrote:I think it's one of the greatest rock LP's of all time. The apathy here towards it astounds me.


Correct. Absolutely correct. Stunningly correct. Well said.
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Postby Phenomenal Cat » 22 Sep 2004, 22:21

It took me a while to fully get into "The Piper", mostly because I found it to sound so thin for an Abbey Road recording. It was the singles of this period that brought me back, and the rather more full sounding mono mix (at least to my ears).

I still hear Syd's deadpan vocal stylings all over the place these days (and not just Robyn Hitchcock!). On "Piper" I enjoy the fluctuations between whimsy and free-form "improvisation" (which I put in quotes because it's not really improvised, but I don't want to even suggest that they're doing anything "free form" or, erm, "jazz").

It's interesting that you mention The Velvet Underground, because the deliberate contrasting of well-structured songs and more open-ended tunes gives this album, like "VU & Nico", a more contemporary feel than something like "Pepper". I admire Syd's songwriting and his guitar playing throughout. I can't say the same for Lou Reed and "V.U. & N", and the fact that Syd could score commercially and artisitically puts him in the company of some of my favorite songwriters. I heard he did some solo albums, too.

Pink Floyd never made a better album. So there.
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Postby Phenomenal Cat » 22 Sep 2004, 22:27

Oh, and thank you for giving me something music related to post about. I tried to stir up some shit regarding "Sister Lovers", but either only one person noticed, or everything I said was absolutely correct.

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Postby Snarfyguy » 22 Sep 2004, 22:27

Phenomenal Cat wrote:I heard he did some solo albums, too.


Are you being facetious or are you actually not familiar with them?
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Postby Phenomenal Cat » 22 Sep 2004, 22:29

snarfyguy wrote:
Phenomenal Cat wrote:I heard he did some solo albums, too.


Are you being facetious or are you actually not familiar with them?


Consider me "in the know". Always.

Facetious? Often.
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Postby Snarfyguy » 22 Sep 2004, 22:32

Phenomenal Cat wrote:
snarfyguy wrote:
Phenomenal Cat wrote:I heard he did some solo albums, too.


Are you being facetious or are you actually not familiar with them?


Consider me "in the know". Always.

Facetious? Often.


Sorry, just that you haven't posted so much yet, so I'm still getting acquainted with your style and tastes.

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Postby Phenomenal Cat » 22 Sep 2004, 22:39

snarfyguy wrote:
Phenomenal Cat wrote:
snarfyguy wrote:
Phenomenal Cat wrote:I heard he did some solo albums, too.


Are you being facetious or are you actually not familiar with them?


Consider me "in the know". Always.

Facetious? Often.


Sorry, just that you haven't posted so much yet, so I'm still getting acquainted with your style and tastes.

Cheers!


Thank you! I'm just a music fanatic, so I jump at the chance to discuss an album I like, whether it's "Plastic Ono Band" or "Piper at the Gates of Dawn".

The Pink Floyd-Syd and the solo-Syd are very separate entities in my mind, that's all. I listen to the Floyd stuff regularly; the solo stuff maybe every few months or so. He kind of "snapped", if you know what I mean. I listen to The Small Faces all the time and love Steve Marriott, but would never think to mention Humble Pie in the same breath as The Small Faces. Two different birds, really. Same with Floyd-Syd and post-Floyd-Syd.

But enough of my yapping: Someone really should be discussing this great album some more.
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Postby Piggly Wiggly » 22 Sep 2004, 22:45

king feeb wrote:I love the fuck out of it.


THAT'S what I'm talking about, motherfuckers!

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Postby Billybob Dylan » 22 Sep 2004, 22:45

Would I be naive or perhaps plain stupid to admit I've never heard this album? I know the singles (Emily & Arnold Layne), but that's as far as it goes with Syd-era Floyd.

I bought The Madcap Laughs after several BCB recommendations a year or so ago. Let's just say that's it's unlikely to ever be played again.

The only PF I've ever owned is DSOTM. I've heard WYWH, but never owned it.

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Postby Charlie O. » 22 Sep 2004, 22:47

Billybob Dylan wrote:Am I sad?


You would be, if you knew what you'd been missing all these years... (though those singles are clues, at least)
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Postby Guest » 22 Sep 2004, 22:48

Billybob Dylan wrote:Am I sad?

Only on the inside.

But if you didn't like his solo stuff, you might not be to keen on Piper. It's a bit more garagey and psychedelic though. Possibly even more poppy.

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Postby Charlie O. » 22 Sep 2004, 22:50

nathan wrote:But if you didn't like his solo stuff, you might not be to keen on Piper.


That's always possible... but there are loads of folks who cherish Piper who can't get with the solo stuff (the members of Pink Floyd who produced the solo stuff, among them).
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Postby Guest » 22 Sep 2004, 22:52

Charlie O. wrote:
nathan wrote:But if you didn't like his solo stuff, you might not be to keen on Piper.


That's always possible... but there are loads of folks who cherish Piper who can't get with the solo stuff (the members of Pink Floyd who produced the solo stuff, among them).

True, but if he never feels compelled to ever play Madcap again, it's not looking too good.

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Postby Piggly Wiggly » 22 Sep 2004, 22:54

nathan wrote:
Charlie O. wrote:
nathan wrote:But if you didn't like his solo stuff, you might not be to keen on Piper.


That's always possible... but there are loads of folks who cherish Piper who can't get with the solo stuff (the members of Pink Floyd who produced the solo stuff, among them).

True, but if he never feels compelled to ever play Madcap again, it's not looking too good.


Honestly, I couldn't tell you the last time I bothered to play Madcap.

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Postby Charlie O. » 22 Sep 2004, 22:54

Maybe Piper would compel him to play Madcap again!
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Postby Billybob Dylan » 22 Sep 2004, 22:56

Charlie O. wrote:
Billybob Dylan wrote:Am I sad?


(though those singles are clues, at least)

But those singles didn't make me leap up and think "Wow! Fucking amazing! I want to hear more stuff like that!" like The Monochrome Set's Alphaville or Subway Sect's Ambition or... (I could go on). When I hear 'em I think "Meh - it's OK in a twee, idealistic '60s pastoral pop kind of way."
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Postby Guest » 22 Sep 2004, 22:57

Billybob Dylan wrote: When I hear 'em I think "Meh - it's OK in a twee, idealistic '60s pastoral pop kind of way."

Ah, but that is part of the charm.

And no, I haven't felt compelled to play Madcap in ages either. :oops:
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