TopCat G wrote:never/ever wrote:Doesn't matter what we say Kath. There's a core of people who believe whatever they want to believe. And all prog-lovers are evil, yet, in lists like these there's more of us than ever. So bleh!
The paranoia is astounding. If anything prog now enjoys some kind of protected status on BCB. Certainly I'm always reluctant to say anything negative for fear of a backlash. The result of this is a band like Genesis receive very little critical scrutiny at all on here. Just compare how they are discussed compared to say The Jam or REM.
i disagree... completely. you think it's paranoia. i really don't think i'm a paranoid kinda person. i am only going by what i have seen in my six years. like maarts, i don't know how ... inflammatory things were before then or how much the crap then has painted the attitudes now.
but protected status? against those who think genesis sucks? i don't get this at all. the only time i see proggers complaining specifically about treatment is when an alias (or skope, god luv him) repeatedly and regularly jump into prog threads and start shit. which actually does happen repeatedly and regularly, ya know. this is not paranoia: this is a fact. by "start shit," i do not mean they say, "genesis sucks, ya know. let's talk about how crappy they really are." um, no. they start shit for the sake of starting shit. i'm pretty sure everyone here knows what i'm talking about.
one point i was
trying to make was that if a skope-clone were to pull that same shit-starting acitivity over and over and over in, say, a series of threads you, g, started on 80s pop... you might complain yerself. if that clone did the same over months and months... years, really... only in those 80s pop threads, and when ya did complain, people told ya to lighten up, it's just a bit of fun... you might feel singled out. would you be paranoid in that situation?
but as for asking for protection... expecting or demanding it... who is doing that? even proggers split on whether genesis or ELP or yes is crap or not, in any number of threads on these bands. perhaps you have avoided these threads like the plague and therefore wouldn't be aware of the discussion that goes on? the last ELP thread made very clear how pronounced the break is, on the people who love that band or the people who hate em.
i personally just want people to be
aware of the anti-prog bias around here. how often it, alone as a type of music, is singled out for all sorts of knocks, lil and big (and really, there is no simpler, clearer example of this than the periodic suggestions to put prog in its own folder.) i would love it if people would avoid that knee-jerky prog bashing, just for its own sake. i would
dearly love it if people would actually talk about the music itself. i would never argue for some kinda special protection for
anybody.
i really must be lookin at this board with different eyes. you and others seem to say that posters walk on egg shells around here, just to
not be accused of being a bully. people are somehow restrained from saying what they really mean. people fear a backlash if they knock a certain poster or a certain type of music. is this fair to say?
cuz frankly, i would say those worries... fears... shell-walking... are the fault of the people engaging in and indulging in those things... the worrying, the fear and the walking. if proggers have learned to take repeated, direct, habitual thread-crapping just for its own sake, do you actually think any of em are gonna give a single crap about how much somebody rants on the suckitude of genesis? rant away... instead of acting like an entire group of music fans on this board are magically preventing you from doing so with lil bitsy sparkly wands.
i love jimjim, but if he left cuz he didn't like people siding with c or anybody else, then he's a putz, god luv him. i loved the real rokster, but if he left cuz he couldn't handle the prog alias/thread crappery, then he's a putz (god luv him.) i would suggest that if you happen to see some inherent
difference tween the jimjim example and the rokster example, you
are, indeed, suffering from a certain bias... a bias, at the core, based on musical preference alone.
