Beyond the BCB 130 - The Manic Street Preachers

[copehead]

What has that got to do with anything?

It's to do with musical worth being measured by chart positions.

Yes but why would you want to compare Bomballerina to MSP?

Using measurable success to compare MSP to, say, Oasis appears to make sense as you are comparing 2 rock bands, comparing a rock band with a 25 year career to a one hit wonder novelty act doesn't appear to serve any purpose.

[copehead]

Coldplay dwarf Oasis and MSP don't they?

Really not sure, does anyone dwarf Oasis? they played the largest gigs in British history had a string of number one singles and albums.

Nit really sure that Coldplay hit those heights did they?

Coldplay are probably the larger band internationally.

But a "Great British Rock Band", let's hope not.

People bridle at the MSP's on here due to your ridiculous proclamations on their behalf.

Just shows how stupid some people are then doesn't it?

I don't get irate with people discussing the brilliance of Art Tatum and thread crap them constantly, what would be the point it would make me look like a div rather than them.

Some people appear not to be able to work that sort of thing out for themselves, or even understand it when it is explained for them.

They are (were) a fitfully decent 90s band of no more importance than Travis or James, they give great interviews, are interesting and have a good backstory. That's good enough for them to be someone's personal faves but don't inflate that into wide acclaim and admiration in the gen pop popn.

I respectfully say that that is a pile of crap. they were far bigger than either of those bands.

By any sort of metric you wish to use that is simply ridiculous.

People seem to have a problem accepting the evidence in this case, it is really quite hilarious.

That's it.

Well done!

Nearly as good as the Boomtown Rats.

Better

[yomptepi]

People seem to have a problem accepting the evidence in this case, it is really quite hilarious.

We are back to your old argument that if something is popular, then it is good.

That was never true. never will be true. And you will always be wrong.

The manics are just a very bad band.
They write terrible songs.
They play them badly.
They think that more is better, which is also never the case.
They are Welsh.

[copehead]

People seem to have a problem accepting the evidence in this case, it is really quite hilarious.

We are back to your old argument that if something is popular, then it is good.

YOu still haven't grasped the argument have you, that makes me

That was never true. never will be true. And you will always be wrong.

I will be misunderstood by you. To be fair plenty of people here seem to find this fairly simple argument beyond them.

The manics are just a very bad band.
They write terrible songs.
They play them badly.
They think that more is better, which is also never the case.
They are Welsh.

Congratulations for having an opinion. It is risible but it is yours.

[The Prof]

The manics are just a very bad band.
They write terrible songs.
They play them badly.
They think that more is better, which is also never the case.
They are Welsh.

You might think they are bad and the songs are terrible but I don't think you couldn't say that Bradfield was a poor guitarist.

It's not all in-yer-face guitar rock and they don't really do slushy ballads. I guess Rewind The Film might be the closest and that's sung by Richard Hawley.

[copehead]

The manics are just a very bad band.
They write terrible songs.
They play them badly.
They think that more is better, which is also never the case.
They are Welsh.

You might think they are bad and the songs are terrible but I don't think you couldn't say that Bradfield was a poor guitarist.

It's not all in-yer-face guitar rock and they don't really do slushy ballads. I guess Rewind The Film might be the closest and that's sung by Richard Hawley.

Bradfield and Moore are both fantastic musicians, he doesn't really believe what he wrote he is just trying to get some attention.

[yomptepi]

Bradfield and Moore are both fantastic musicians, he doesn't really believe what he wrote he is just trying to get some attention.

As I said, he is marginally better than Noel Gallagher.

If you think that is fantastic, then good for you. You deserve them.

[The Prof]

Sean Moor one of the youngest ever musicians in the Welsh National Symphony Orchestra, or something like that.

[yomptepi]

Sean Moor one of the youngest ever musicians in the Welsh National Symphony Orchestra, or something like that.

he is an adequate drummer. Bradfield is an adequate guitarist considering the mediocre rubbish he hacks out. About as good as Steve Jones on an off day. And I don't rate Steve Jones..

[The Prof]

Praise indeed!

[Tapiocahead]

I'm not really that keen on them.

[Moleskin]

What has that got to do with anything?

It's to do with musical worth being measured by chart positions.

Yes but why would you want to compare Bomballerina to MSP?

Using measurable success to compare MSP to, say, Oasis appears to make sense as you are comparing 2 rock bands, comparing a rock band with a 25 year career to a one hit wonder novelty act doesn't appear to serve any purpose.

Actually chart success for one song can only be compared relative to the other songs in the chart that week. You could look at strings of releases though.

However, even several singles successrd in the 90s is not comparable with the 70s due to different levels of sales in the two periods.

[jimboo]

Their cover versions are usually pretty good and their choices of guest vocalists too.

This was an interesting choice:



German sounds excellent in rock music.

You have only just found this out ? Krautrock revision for you young man

[Count Machuki]

If I was being held prisoner and was forced to choose I would rather hear one of Phil Collins crappy popular albums than sit through a whole CD by Manic Street Preachers. The Hall of Suck awaits them.

Well, we're American, Guy. MSP aren't as good for us because of their lack of American chart success. That's what we get, I guess.


I bought Generation Terrorists as a used CD, listened to it once, thought it sounded like Guns and Roses, and filed it away forever.

[naughty boy]

Their cover versions are usually pretty good and their choices of guest vocalists too.

This was an interesting choice:



German sounds excellent in rock music.

You have only just found this out ? Krautrock revision for you young man

The German is all wrong anyway. Arseholes

[Guy E]

If I was being held prisoner and was forced to choose I would rather hear one of Phil Collins crappy popular albums than sit through a whole CD by Manic Street Preachers. The Hall of Suck awaits them.

Well, we're American, Guy. MSP aren't as good for us because of their lack of American chart success. That's what we get, I guess.

I bought Generation Terrorists as a used CD, listened to it once, thought it sounded like Guns and Roses, and filed it away forever.

Guns and Roses meets REO Speedwagon or something. The most incredibly bland and characterless music (do they not disparage Corporate Rock in the UK?). It's incredible to me that someone like Copehead can pontificate upon the band for paragraph after paragraph. I mean, even if there's some impressive "regular bloke down the pub" lyrical insight buried in their doggie biscuit music, why bother?

[naughty boy]

'doggie biscuit music'! love it!

[Limpin' Jez McKenzie]

Coldplay dwarf Oasis and MSP don't they?

People bridle at the MSP's on here due to your ridiculous proclamations on their behalf.

They are (were) a fitfully decent 90s band of no more importance than Travis or James, they give great interviews, are interesting and have a good backstory. That's good enough for them to be someone's personal faves but don't inflate that into wide acclaim and admiration in the gen pop popn.

That's it.

Nearly as good as the Boomtown Rats.

You forgot "brilliant live".

[Jimbly]

You didn't answer about stadiums. I'm not denying that they have been a major band at some point in their career. That time has gone.

So come on the sell out stadium gigs were......

You have a already started down this important road, I am sure you can find more stadium and similarly sized festival headline spots if you really want to.

I have also showed their album chart positions, which are remarkably consistent.

trying to pretend they are not a major rock band makes you look like an idiot.

please continue.

Looking like an idiot is when you quote me then ignore where I say "I'm not denying they have been a major band" and say that I am pretending they are not a major band.

[copehead]

Bradfield and Moore are both fantastic musicians, he doesn't really believe what he wrote he is just trying to get some attention.

As I said, he is marginally better than Noel Gallagher.

If you think that is fantastic, then good for you. You deserve them.

Marginally better than the most successful song writer of the 90s.

I'd go along with that.

He is a far better lead guitarist though.

Sean Moore is more than a drummer as well, he was a member of the Welsh Youth Orchestra as a youngster.

He plays the fantastic cornet solo on Kevin Carter.