beyond the 130 - eddie cochran
- 'skope
- BCB poster of the year 2014
- Posts: 6248
- Joined: 07 Jun 2014, 13:19
- Location: on diamond dog's ignore list
beyond the 130 - eddie cochran
better looking than elvis, rawer than burnette and hipper than holly.
please DO let out some BCB love for the greatest 50s rock 'n roller.
please DO let out some BCB love for the greatest 50s rock 'n roller.
Last edited by 'skope on 26 Feb 2015, 14:32, edited 1 time in total.
- Matt Wilson
- Psychedelic Cowpunk
- Posts: 32527
- Joined: 16 Jul 2003, 20:18
- Location: Edge of a continent
Re: eddie cochran
'skope wrote:better looking than elvis, rawer than burnette and hipper than holly.
He was, of course, none of these things. Still great though.
- 'skope
- BCB poster of the year 2014
- Posts: 6248
- Joined: 07 Jun 2014, 13:19
- Location: on diamond dog's ignore list
Re: eddie cochran
Matt Wilson wrote:He was, of course, none of these things.
according to rolling stone magazine.
get real, wilson.
- Muskrat
- World's Foremost Authority
- Posts: 21397
- Joined: 17 Jul 2003, 01:05
- Location: Next to the park; across the street from the college; and the freeway at my back
- Contact:
Re: eddie cochran
and, without the string overdub (which I kind of like)
Last edited by Muskrat on 24 Feb 2015, 20:17, edited 1 time in total.
Things that a fella can't forget...
Lord Rother wrote: I’m with Googs.
- Matt Wilson
- Psychedelic Cowpunk
- Posts: 32527
- Joined: 16 Jul 2003, 20:18
- Location: Edge of a continent
Re: eddie cochran
See who agrees with you then.
- Jimbly
- Posts: 21957
- Joined: 21 Jul 2003, 23:17
- Location: ????
-
- Posts: 63925
- Joined: 03 Jun 2004, 20:12
Re: eddie cochran
Rawer than Burnette, I don't think so.
Some of Cochran's songs have strings and a pretty hefty set of backup singers.
I think he's great, but Matt is more right here.
Some of Cochran's songs have strings and a pretty hefty set of backup singers.
I think he's great, but Matt is more right here.
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk!
- 'skope
- BCB poster of the year 2014
- Posts: 6248
- Joined: 07 Jun 2014, 13:19
- Location: on diamond dog's ignore list
Re: eddie cochran
sloopjohnc wrote:Rawer than Burnette, I don't think so.
Some of Cochran's songs have strings
ffs.
-
- Poptastic
- Posts: 15394
- Joined: 05 Jul 2004, 22:01
Re: eddie cochran
He's great, some cracking songs, and funny at that.
I kept thinking "swim as far as you can, swim as far as you can".
-
- Posts: 63925
- Joined: 03 Jun 2004, 20:12
Re: eddie cochran
'skope wrote:sloopjohnc wrote:Rawer than Burnette, I don't think so.
Some of Cochran's songs have strings
ffs.
Oh, I realize - there's a delineation between both Cochran and Burnette's earlier stuff and when Burnette dumped the Rock and Roll Trio and started doing stuff like this and She's Sixteen."
But Cochran's early stuff still isn't as raw as Burnette's.
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk!
- 'skope
- BCB poster of the year 2014
- Posts: 6248
- Joined: 07 Jun 2014, 13:19
- Location: on diamond dog's ignore list
-
- Posts: 63925
- Joined: 03 Jun 2004, 20:12
Re: eddie cochran
'skope wrote:
Did Cochran write a song about a seahorse?
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk!
- Jumper K
- Posts: 2847
- Joined: 22 Oct 2014, 16:25
Re: eddie cochran
Undoubtedly great. The singles are unimpeachable but to say he's rawer than Burnette is risible.
- Guy E
- Posts: 13301
- Joined: 16 Jul 2003, 23:11
- Location: Antalya, Turkey
Re: eddie cochran
Great indeed. Comparisons are besides the point, he's the quintessential 50's white rock and roller. A real guitar slinger, a great songwriter, a teen heart throb.
["Minnie the Stalker"]The first time that we met I knew I was going to make him mine.
- hookfinger
- Posts: 6331
- Joined: 23 Jan 2008, 18:43
- Location: the observation post
- Contact:
Re: eddie cochran
Guy E wrote: a teen heart throb.
The fact that Cochran pulled this off while Burnette could not actually costs Eddie BCB cool bonus points. We are nothing if not snobs. Cochran loses this race by a nose.
Oh boy is it getting rough, when my old world charm isn't quite enough.
- BARON CORNY DOG
- Diamond Geezer
- Posts: 45153
- Joined: 18 Jul 2003, 05:38
- Location: Impregnable Citadel of Technicality
Re: eddie cochran
Jumper K wrote:Undoubtedly great. The singles are unimpeachable but to say he's rawer than Burnette is risible.
Exactly.
take5_d_shorterer wrote:If John Bonham simply didn't listen to enough Tommy Johnson or Blind Willie Mctell, that's his doing.
-
- Poptastic
- Posts: 15394
- Joined: 05 Jul 2004, 22:01
Re: eddie cochran
hookfinger wrote:Guy E wrote: a teen heart throb.
The fact that Cochran pulled this off while Burnette could not actually costs Eddie BCB cool bonus points. We are nothing if not snobs. Cochran loses this race by a nose.
not in my book, of course, with my ticket to the brits burning a hole in my pocket, but you may well be right about bcb in general.
I kept thinking "swim as far as you can, swim as far as you can".
- Muskrat
- World's Foremost Authority
- Posts: 21397
- Joined: 17 Jul 2003, 01:05
- Location: Next to the park; across the street from the college; and the freeway at my back
- Contact:
Re: eddie cochran
Guy E wrote:Great indeed. Comparisons are besides the point, he's the quintessential 50's white rock and roller. A real guitar slinger, a great songwriter, a teen heart throb.
I'll give you the heartthrob (though I don't see it) but Buddy Holly and Carl Perkins were both at least good guitar players and great songwriters. I think of Cochran more as an early Glen Campbell, without as clear a sense of direction. Cochran recorded a LOT of second- or third-rate material, though of course some of it was other people's records, and a lot of stuff was released after he died that otherwise probably wouldn't have seen daylight. Hell, I think Ritchie Valens was more consistent than Cochran.
Things that a fella can't forget...
Lord Rother wrote: I’m with Googs.
- toomanyhatz
- Power-mad king of the WCC
- Posts: 29993
- Joined: 07 Apr 2005, 00:01
- Location: Just east of where Charlie Parker went to do some relaxin'
Re: eddie cochran
He's great, and likely my favorite 50s artist (with Chuck, Bo, Buddy and Johnny Cash in the mix too).
The comparisons are fun, but unnecessary. What he had was the point of comparison on every level. Whether he was better looking than Elvis, or cooler than Buddy or rawer than the JBT is not as important as the fact that he's in the discussion, on every level. Or, as one of his contemporaries said, "he was Elvis, but he played great guitar." He may not have been the best looking, or the best musician, or the best singer, or the best songwriter, but he was one of the best at every single thing.
As far as what he was, ultimately, please reflect on the fact that we'll never know. He was 21 when he died. Whether he would've been a matinee idol or a guitar hero or a singer/songwriter, or a session guitarist or a producer or a mover and shaker like Chet Atkins is hard to say as he died far too soon. But we knew that early that any of those things were a possibility. I can't think of another single artist in the history of rock and roll that that's true of.
The comparisons are fun, but unnecessary. What he had was the point of comparison on every level. Whether he was better looking than Elvis, or cooler than Buddy or rawer than the JBT is not as important as the fact that he's in the discussion, on every level. Or, as one of his contemporaries said, "he was Elvis, but he played great guitar." He may not have been the best looking, or the best musician, or the best singer, or the best songwriter, but he was one of the best at every single thing.
As far as what he was, ultimately, please reflect on the fact that we'll never know. He was 21 when he died. Whether he would've been a matinee idol or a guitar hero or a singer/songwriter, or a session guitarist or a producer or a mover and shaker like Chet Atkins is hard to say as he died far too soon. But we knew that early that any of those things were a possibility. I can't think of another single artist in the history of rock and roll that that's true of.
Footy wrote:
The Who / Jimi Hendrix Experience Saville Theatre, London Jan '67
. Got Jimi's autograph after the show and went on to see him several times that year
1959 1963 1965 1966 1974 1977 1978 1981 1988 2017* 2018 2020!! 2023?
- toomanyhatz
- Power-mad king of the WCC
- Posts: 29993
- Joined: 07 Apr 2005, 00:01
- Location: Just east of where Charlie Parker went to do some relaxin'
Re: eddie cochran
Muskrat wrote:Guy E wrote:Great indeed. Comparisons are besides the point, he's the quintessential 50's white rock and roller. A real guitar slinger, a great songwriter, a teen heart throb.
I'll give you the heartthrob (though I don't see it) but Buddy Holly and Carl Perkins were both at least good guitar players and great songwriters. I think of Cochran more as an early Glen Campbell, without as clear a sense of direction. Cochran recorded a LOT of second- or third-rate material, though of course some of it was other people's records, and a lot of stuff was released after he died that otherwise probably wouldn't have seen daylight. Hell, I think Ritchie Valens was more consistent than Cochran.
This surprises me coming from you (the guy with the Cochran song as his sig). Yep, Holly and Perkins were good guitar players. Better than Cochran? Probably not. As far as the second and third-rate material, I guess I haven't heard most of that. He did a lot of sessions on other people's stuff, but judging him on that's like judging Jimmy Page on his work with Englebert Humperdinck. There's sure not much under his name that's not at least good. I mean, even something flawed and juvenile like "Dark Lonely Street" is an interesting bit of teen melodrama, which taken in context of his age and the era promises greater things.
As for sense of direction, he was all over the freaking map, which of course I like. He did teen melodrama, he did guitar workouts, he did sweet pop numbers, he did proto-punk...about the only thing he didn't do was sappy string-laden stuff, which even his buddy Gene Vincent fell prey to. As the complete package, perhaps he wasn't as self-contained as Buddy Holly, but that's the only person I'd put above him.
Footy wrote:
The Who / Jimi Hendrix Experience Saville Theatre, London Jan '67
. Got Jimi's autograph after the show and went on to see him several times that year
1959 1963 1965 1966 1974 1977 1978 1981 1988 2017* 2018 2020!! 2023?