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beyond the 130 - eddie cochran

Postby 'skope » 24 Feb 2015, 20:05

better looking than elvis, rawer than burnette and hipper than holly.

please DO let out some BCB love for the greatest 50s rock 'n roller.









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Re: eddie cochran

Postby Matt Wilson » 24 Feb 2015, 20:08

'skope wrote:better looking than elvis, rawer than burnette and hipper than holly.


He was, of course, none of these things. Still great though.
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Postby 'skope » 24 Feb 2015, 20:11

Matt Wilson wrote:He was, of course, none of these things.


according to rolling stone magazine.

get real, wilson.

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Re: eddie cochran

Postby Muskrat » 24 Feb 2015, 20:13







and, without the string overdub (which I kind of like)

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Re: eddie cochran

Postby Matt Wilson » 24 Feb 2015, 20:14

See who agrees with you then.
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Postby Jeemo » 24 Feb 2015, 20:17

Not me.
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Re: eddie cochran

Postby sloopjohnc » 24 Feb 2015, 20:28

Rawer than Burnette, I don't think so.

Some of Cochran's songs have strings and a pretty hefty set of backup singers.

I think he's great, but Matt is more right here.

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Postby 'skope » 24 Feb 2015, 20:34

sloopjohnc wrote:Rawer than Burnette, I don't think so.

Some of Cochran's songs have strings


ffs.


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Postby Conrad Knight Socks » 24 Feb 2015, 20:37

He's great, some cracking songs, and funny at that.
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Re: eddie cochran

Postby sloopjohnc » 24 Feb 2015, 20:39

'skope wrote:
sloopjohnc wrote:Rawer than Burnette, I don't think so.

Some of Cochran's songs have strings


ffs.



Oh, I realize - there's a delineation between both Cochran and Burnette's earlier stuff and when Burnette dumped the Rock and Roll Trio and started doing stuff like this and She's Sixteen."

But Cochran's early stuff still isn't as raw as Burnette's.

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Postby sloopjohnc » 24 Feb 2015, 21:13

'skope wrote:Image


Did Cochran write a song about a seahorse?

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Postby Jumper K » 24 Feb 2015, 22:56

Undoubtedly great. The singles are unimpeachable but to say he's rawer than Burnette is risible.

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Postby Guy E » 24 Feb 2015, 23:50

Great indeed. Comparisons are besides the point, he's the quintessential 50's white rock and roller. A real guitar slinger, a great songwriter, a teen heart throb.
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Postby hookfinger » 25 Feb 2015, 00:06

Guy E wrote: a teen heart throb.

The fact that Cochran pulled this off while Burnette could not actually costs Eddie BCB cool bonus points. We are nothing if not snobs. Cochran loses this race by a nose.
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Postby LeBaron » 25 Feb 2015, 00:39

Jumper K wrote:Undoubtedly great. The singles are unimpeachable but to say he's rawer than Burnette is risible.


Exactly.
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Postby Conrad Knight Socks » 25 Feb 2015, 06:35

hookfinger wrote:
Guy E wrote: a teen heart throb.

The fact that Cochran pulled this off while Burnette could not actually costs Eddie BCB cool bonus points. We are nothing if not snobs. Cochran loses this race by a nose.


:D not in my book, of course, with my ticket to the brits burning a hole in my pocket, but you may well be right about bcb in general.
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Postby Muskrat » 25 Feb 2015, 06:46

Guy E wrote:Great indeed. Comparisons are besides the point, he's the quintessential 50's white rock and roller. A real guitar slinger, a great songwriter, a teen heart throb.


I'll give you the heartthrob (though I don't see it) but Buddy Holly and Carl Perkins were both at least good guitar players and great songwriters. I think of Cochran more as an early Glen Campbell, without as clear a sense of direction. Cochran recorded a LOT of second- or third-rate material, though of course some of it was other people's records, and a lot of stuff was released after he died that otherwise probably wouldn't have seen daylight. Hell, I think Ritchie Valens was more consistent than Cochran.
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Postby toomanyhatz » 25 Feb 2015, 06:48

He's great, and likely my favorite 50s artist (with Chuck, Bo, Buddy and Johnny Cash in the mix too).

The comparisons are fun, but unnecessary. What he had was the point of comparison on every level. Whether he was better looking than Elvis, or cooler than Buddy or rawer than the JBT is not as important as the fact that he's in the discussion, on every level. Or, as one of his contemporaries said, "he was Elvis, but he played great guitar." He may not have been the best looking, or the best musician, or the best singer, or the best songwriter, but he was one of the best at every single thing.

As far as what he was, ultimately, please reflect on the fact that we'll never know. He was 21 when he died. Whether he would've been a matinee idol or a guitar hero or a singer/songwriter, or a session guitarist or a producer or a mover and shaker like Chet Atkins is hard to say as he died far too soon. But we knew that early that any of those things were a possibility. I can't think of another single artist in the history of rock and roll that that's true of.
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Postby toomanyhatz » 25 Feb 2015, 07:08

Muskrat wrote:
Guy E wrote:Great indeed. Comparisons are besides the point, he's the quintessential 50's white rock and roller. A real guitar slinger, a great songwriter, a teen heart throb.


I'll give you the heartthrob (though I don't see it) but Buddy Holly and Carl Perkins were both at least good guitar players and great songwriters. I think of Cochran more as an early Glen Campbell, without as clear a sense of direction. Cochran recorded a LOT of second- or third-rate material, though of course some of it was other people's records, and a lot of stuff was released after he died that otherwise probably wouldn't have seen daylight. Hell, I think Ritchie Valens was more consistent than Cochran.


This surprises me coming from you (the guy with the Cochran song as his sig). Yep, Holly and Perkins were good guitar players. Better than Cochran? Probably not. As far as the second and third-rate material, I guess I haven't heard most of that. He did a lot of sessions on other people's stuff, but judging him on that's like judging Jimmy Page on his work with Englebert Humperdinck. There's sure not much under his name that's not at least good. I mean, even something flawed and juvenile like "Dark Lonely Street" is an interesting bit of teen melodrama, which taken in context of his age and the era promises greater things.

As for sense of direction, he was all over the freaking map, which of course I like. He did teen melodrama, he did guitar workouts, he did sweet pop numbers, he did proto-punk...about the only thing he didn't do was sappy string-laden stuff, which even his buddy Gene Vincent fell prey to. As the complete package, perhaps he wasn't as self-contained as Buddy Holly, but that's the only person I'd put above him.
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