Beyond the 130 - Kevin Ayers

User avatar
The Modernist
2018 BCB Cup Champ!
Posts: 11004
Joined: 13 Apr 2014, 20:42

Re: Beyond the 130 - Kevin Ayers

Postby The Modernist » 12 Jan 2015, 19:26

CUNT wrote:
The G Experience! wrote:Did he ever write a decent song?


:D

'Stranger in Blue Suede Shoes' is the one you want, G.
.


That was pretty shit. There must be a better song to put up than that.

User avatar
nev gash
cultural defective
Posts: 15452
Joined: 29 Sep 2007, 00:32
Location: jouissance

Re: Beyond the 130 - Kevin Ayers

Postby nev gash » 12 Jan 2015, 19:35

I don't think he's very overburdened in the "tunes yer dog can whistle" dept. There's a (deceptively) easy swinging feel, a louche breeze to his best, did you not like "Religious Experience (Singing a Song in the Morning)"? A fucking cosmic round mate.
Hodgson wrote:You just have to face reality that you are not well liked by some people here. Not necessarily people who will shout on the BCB cunt threads,but posters who are well liked by all and who get on with the business of posting to threads when they want

User avatar
toomanyhatz
Power-mad king of the WCC
Posts: 26657
Joined: 07 Apr 2005, 00:01
Location: Just east of where Charlie Parker went to do some relaxin'

Re: Beyond the 130 - Kevin Ayers

Postby toomanyhatz » 12 Jan 2015, 19:37

If nothing posted so far is getting you, G, he just might not be for you. It happens.

To me, his talent is in how unfiltered his songwriting is - it feels like you're connecting directly with his muse without concern for how it's received. This can be problematic for even fans - once others took control over his music, he didn't seem to have much interest in wresting it back - so if it doesn't hit you directly, it likely never will.

More Kevin for us, then.
sloopjohnc wrote:Aslan has some good credenitals - got his BA from Santa Clara, a Jesuit school and his Masters from Harvard and PhD from Santa Barbara, a surfing school.


1959 1963 1965 1966 1974 1977 1978 1981 1988 2017!

User avatar
Snarfyguy
Dominated by the Obscure
Posts: 52494
Joined: 21 Jul 2003, 19:04
Location: New York

Re: Beyond the 130 - Kevin Ayers

Postby Snarfyguy » 12 Jan 2015, 19:44

I always thought Rainbow Takeaway was something of a dud, but next time I clean off all the junk that's accumulated on top of the turntable, I'll give it another shot.
Jimbo wrote:Look, all I know is pretty much what I get from Robert Parry over at Consortium News.

User avatar
Harvey K-Tel
Long Player
Posts: 39441
Joined: 16 Jul 2003, 23:20
Location: 1220 on your AM dial

Re: Beyond the 130 - Kevin Ayers

Postby Harvey K-Tel » 12 Jan 2015, 20:26

The G Experience! wrote:Did he ever write a decent song?


This one's a fave of mine (although I think it deserves to be heard on a half-decent system):

If you've got nothing to do, don't do it here.

User avatar
The Modernist
2018 BCB Cup Champ!
Posts: 11004
Joined: 13 Apr 2014, 20:42

Re: Beyond the 130 - Kevin Ayers

Postby The Modernist » 12 Jan 2015, 20:48

Yeah I know that one...it doesn't blow me away. I'll check out Nev's recommendation.

User avatar
Brother Spoon
Billy Crystal
Posts: 9747
Joined: 17 Jul 2003, 08:02
Location: at Yankee Stadium

Re: Beyond the 130 - Kevin Ayers

Postby Brother Spoon » 13 Jan 2015, 05:26

CUNT wrote: He's no great talent, tho'.


It's fair to say his greatest talent was for living.

User avatar
Brother Spoon
Billy Crystal
Posts: 9747
Joined: 17 Jul 2003, 08:02
Location: at Yankee Stadium

Re: Beyond the 130 - Kevin Ayers

Postby Brother Spoon » 15 Jan 2015, 17:30

Image

I've never heard the first Soft Machine album.
What do the fans think? Is it Ayers-esque?

User avatar
Snarfyguy
Dominated by the Obscure
Posts: 52494
Joined: 21 Jul 2003, 19:04
Location: New York

Re: Beyond the 130 - Kevin Ayers

Postby Snarfyguy » 15 Jan 2015, 19:24

Brother Spoon wrote:Image

I've never heard the first Soft Machine album.
What do the fans think? Is it Ayers-esque?

It's fantastic, but it's more of a group effort, so KA's particular idiosyncracies aren't to the fore (compared to how, for example, Lou Reed was kind of the central figure in the Velvet Underground).

Having said that, there are several themes (musical and conceptual) on here that Ayers would continue to mine in his solo career.

You really should hear it; it's no overstatement to say it's a classic.
Jimbo wrote:Look, all I know is pretty much what I get from Robert Parry over at Consortium News.

User avatar
Bumblecorn Cats Nightmare
hounds people off the board
Posts: 16313
Joined: 24 Apr 2007, 23:21
Location: pursued by the enraged queen

Re: Beyond the 130 - Kevin Ayers

Postby Bumblecorn Cats Nightmare » 15 Jan 2015, 19:29

I'd second that. I've always been a bit confounded as to why the second SM album is more lauded. This one always seemed stranger, deeper, heavier (at least in places).
Betty Denim wrote:As for Patti Smith, now there’s an insufferable cunt. The most pretentious, tedious, bag of incomprehensible self-important shit with all the charm and intelligence of Bungle from Rainbow.

User avatar
Quaco
F R double E
Posts: 46475
Joined: 16 Jul 2003, 19:41

Re: Beyond the 130 - Kevin Ayers

Postby Quaco » 15 Jan 2015, 20:17

I love all of the first three, though each is rather different. The first one is stranger, especially when you have Kevin's growling, and it just seems more thrown-together, like a group of guys getting whatever they could to make a whole album. I think it was basically their live set trimmed down a bit.

The second one has more little Wyatt songs (so Wyatt people will tend to like it more), and it's done in a bit more sophisticated suite style, and Hugh Hopper's bass -- that defining fuzz bass which they would use for years -- is much more accomplished than Kevin's, so it's a rather more dazzling, melodic display. I happen to like it the best, but I can also see objectively why it's more highly lauded. (It's also possible, John, that you get the feeling it's more lauded simply because I and a couple other people on here are vocal about it. Is it highly lauded in the real world?)

The third one is a real departure, and I generally got the impression that that was the one people considered their classic. I love it too, though it took me a while to get all those long instrumental jazzy bits. I think I wished there had been more "Moon in June"-type stuff on it.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

User avatar
Brother Spoon
Billy Crystal
Posts: 9747
Joined: 17 Jul 2003, 08:02
Location: at Yankee Stadium

Re: Beyond the 130 - Kevin Ayers

Postby Brother Spoon » 17 Jan 2015, 18:09

I will keep it in mind.
I know the second and third, which I both like a good deal, without becoming favorites. Maybe the first one is the one for me.

User avatar
Rayge
Posts: 12194
Joined: 14 Aug 2013, 11:37
Location: deepest Devon
Contact:

Re: Beyond the 130 - Kevin Ayers

Postby Rayge » 15 Jan 2018, 18:50

bump
KAT/COYS

You can't play a tune on an absolute

When the ball sleeps it dreams it is a Frisbee

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Love is the law, love under will

User avatar
nev gash
cultural defective
Posts: 15452
Joined: 29 Sep 2007, 00:32
Location: jouissance

Re: Beyond the 130 - Kevin Ayers

Postby nev gash » 15 Jan 2018, 21:22

It’s already been mentioned but

Hodgson wrote:You just have to face reality that you are not well liked by some people here. Not necessarily people who will shout on the BCB cunt threads,but posters who are well liked by all and who get on with the business of posting to threads when they want

User avatar
zoomboogity
Shakin' All Over
Posts: 5121
Joined: 17 Jul 2003, 07:42
Location: Screwball Cultural Center

Re: Beyond the 130 - Kevin Ayers

Postby zoomboogity » 12 Apr 2018, 07:50

Old Grey Whistle Test was created by Kevin's dad.

Here's Galen Ayers and Bridget St. John in New York, November 2017:

Image

"Quite."

Bent Fabric
Posts: 2321
Joined: 22 Jul 2014, 21:38

Re: Beyond the 130 - Kevin Ayers

Postby Bent Fabric » 12 Apr 2018, 18:52

I fell for him in such a big way when I finally did that I'm not even remotely able to see the "no decent tunes" P.O.V.

Things like "Town Feeling", "Girl on a Swing", "Lady Rachel", "Song for Insane Times" are as captivating to me as anything I've ever heard by anyone - all classics in my world, and...suffice to say, Joy of a Toy is hands down my favorite work of his. It feels more focused than the others. Not that I don't love everything up through and including Dr. Dream to some extent.

User avatar
Charlie O.
Posts: 38650
Joined: 21 Jul 2003, 19:53
Location: In-A-Badda-La-Wadda, bay-beh

Re: Beyond the 130 - Kevin Ayers

Postby Charlie O. » 19 Apr 2018, 16:48

Bent Fabric wrote:I fell for him in such a big way when I finally did that I'm not even remotely able to see the "no decent tunes" P.O.V.

Things like "Town Feeling", "Girl on a Swing", "Lady Rachel", "Song for Insane Times" are as captivating to me as anything I've ever heard by anyone - all classics in my world, and...suffice to say, Joy of a Toy is hands down my favorite work of his. It feels more focused than the others. Not that I don't love everything up through and including Dr. Dream to some extent.

This is pretty much word for word how I feel, though I've gradually come to love Whatevershebringswesing and Bananamour very nearly as much as the first.

And The Unfairground was strong enough to make me truly rue that there wasn't a follow-up.

Nice Galen/Bridget clip, zoomb!
Image