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BCB Cup 2018 R1 M16 Toomanydudz

Postby The Modernist » 03 Feb 2018, 10:22

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A
Chuck Berry - 13 Question Method - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXh-97FRlbg alt. link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ2Irf6oh6A
Dorothy Ashby - Soul Vibrations - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtUYuTiWuSs
Mitski - Townie - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAX4sckx5l0
The Men They Couldn't Hang - Shirt of Blue - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF27YI-IH_g
Blind Alfred Reed - You'll Miss Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZF4gLh7gh0
Soul Impossibles - Souladelic - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltx7Ojoo8RE
El Chicano - One More Night - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s76IXs8cv7M
Run the Jewels - Legend Has It - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWaljXUiCaE

B

Woody Guthrie – All You Fascists - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwcKwGS7OSQ
Pablo Moses – I Man A Grasshopper - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M1L0W6Xaho
Thee Oh Sees – Opposition - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sC4Yuv_l5g
Tobacco – Omen Classic - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtvPV5WwqR4
Cuz – France Gnarl - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPcuD4bNk64
Dirty Beaches – Lord Knows Best - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1npX5-CP0A
Henri Taxier – Sommeil Caillou - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53AS-jhPqQA
John Coltrane – Mr Day - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiBsQBfrwZU

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Re: BCB Cup 2018 R1 M16

Postby mission » 03 Feb 2018, 10:38

Goodness. This cup really is the widest reaching I can remember.

This one is tough. That Three Oh Sees is the kind of generic garage stuff that gets a gold pass around here - and which I hate. But that Trane has Davis and Jones just cooking.

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Re: BCB Cup 2018 R1 M16

Postby Count Machuki » 03 Feb 2018, 19:37

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Re: BCB Cup 2018 R1 M16

Postby toomanyhatz » 04 Feb 2018, 07:25

Round one seems to be all about avoiding "white boys with guitars." :D The white boys in A are even carting fiddles. :D

B is actually bookended by two marvelous tracks, but bogs down too much in the middle. A is a bit "look, I'm eclectic!", but it's all good. I particularly like the lesser-known Berry track and the Ashby (she being someone I've been introduced to fairly recently), but there's nothing bad there.
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Re: BCB Cup 2018 R1 M16

Postby The Modernist » 04 Feb 2018, 10:17

No one's commented that The Men They Couldn't Hang link lead to a hip hop track! Anyway I've replaced it now.

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Re: BCB Cup 2018 R1 M16

Postby The Modernist » 04 Feb 2018, 10:44

A was a real curate's egg (I think I'm the first to use that one this year!). I'm a big Dorothy Ashby fan and that's a great track, I also enjoyed El Chicane and Soul Impossibles. I'm afraid I really disliked Mitski, TMTCH and Run The Jewels (I don't get that kind of hip hop..why would I want some fat bloke swearing and waving his finger at me). The other tracks were okay, but it didn't make much impression.

B was progressing nicely when it suddenly lost me with the Tobacco and Cuz tracks. These were so unpleasant I didn't think I could back on board with the list but Henri Taxier and Coltrane (the best thing on both lists) won me back over.

It's close but B

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Re: BCB Cup 2018 R1 M16

Postby Wally Bingbang » 04 Feb 2018, 20:16

Hmm.

A, I guess.
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Re: BCB Cup 2018 R1 M16

Postby Darkness_Fish » 04 Feb 2018, 21:17

There's two very coffee-table lists here, it's all on the edge of being different, someone contemplating whether to grow a goatee or not. The worst track is that RTJ thing, where the music is passable, but the lyrics and delivery are everything I hate about most rap, shit doggerel which is just embarrassing to see in print. The best tracks, not counting Coltrane (token jazz pick alert), are the Dorothy Ashby, which gives lie to its generic title and artwork, and Dirty Beaches, which is simple but effective. In the end, I think I'll plump for B, just because it's slightly more varied.

B

Btw, that Taxier track only plays for 35 seconds for some reason. But it couldn't have been worse than El Chicano.
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Re: BCB Cup 2018 R1 M16

Postby The Fish » 04 Feb 2018, 22:47

LIked El Chicano and Blind lfred Reed (just bought the Bristol Sessions box set) but I did actually laugh when the white guys appeared in Run The Jewels.
I mean seriously ? The rap equivalent of dad dancing.Not all plain sailing in B but bookende by two undeniable classics so...

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Re: BCB Cup 2018 R1 M16

Postby Geezee » 05 Feb 2018, 12:46

B's middle is the best thing about it! - B
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Postby Purgatory Brite » 05 Feb 2018, 14:05

B

Particularly liked the recorder playing on the Cuz track ;)

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Postby Tapiocahead » 05 Feb 2018, 14:48

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Postby Jeemo » 05 Feb 2018, 18:20

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Re: BCB Cup 2018 R1 M16

Postby PENK » 05 Feb 2018, 21:07

Hell yeah, Dorothy Ashby! I've heard a couple of her things before and she definitely seems one to investigate further. Mitski was good chunky lofi pop with some actual bits of surprise and fun in the writing rather than another generic indie mumbledy. Things take a turn for the worse then, though, with TMTCH and the "this is really old and, like, historic, so you have to like it" one. The remainder of the list is in token territory, too, rather than finding anything really inspiring. And I thought for a second that said "Directed by Brian Blessed" at the start of the RTJ video. They are certainly dextrous and talented rappers but I've always thought El-P's production was imaginative but too brash and free from dynamics or groove.

B is another lucky dip effort. Thee Oh Sees have a weirdness and energy that puts them pretty high on the garage revival ladder, but Tobacco was made by a 13-year-old in Music class. And Toby will like this: that Cuz song is a Minutemen solo project. And it's also shit.

B I suppose because it finishes well with the Lynchian Dirty Beaches and intriguing Henri Texier. And Coltrane but picking Coltrane is too easy.
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Re: BCB Cup 2018 R1 M16

Postby martha » 06 Feb 2018, 00:25

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Re: BCB Cup 2018 R1 M16

Postby Loki » 06 Feb 2018, 06:05

toomanyhatz wrote:Round one seems to be all about avoiding "white boys with guitars."

Seems a fair bit more Jazz than usual.

Some may be missing the JB&S, eh fangey?
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Re: BCB Cup 2018 R1 M16

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 06 Feb 2018, 18:14

I’m getting annoyed with myself for not being as positive about these last few lists as I’d like. This year’s cup has been more eclectic than usual...but not always winningly so. I want to reward risk-taking, but I also feel like it’s best to avoid sticking your neck out unless you think a record is exceptional. Too many of the things I’m hearing this year just feel arbitrary.

Anyhow, both of these cover a lot of ground. But are these really supposed to be great tracks?

I dunno. Coin flip says A.
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Postby Ray K. » 06 Feb 2018, 21:33

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Re: BCB Cup 2018 R1 M16

Postby Ranking Ted » 06 Feb 2018, 22:52

I'm in agreement with the consensus - these are patchy. I'll go for A, just about!

A