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2018 Cup format and rules discussion...

Posted: 06 Jan 2018, 21:59
by martha
Darkness_Fish wrote:Are we definitely keeping the 10 vs 10 format? If so, I'll probably not bother. No offense intended to the organiser, who puts the hard work in, and I genuinely love the cups here. Just the track vs track format means that at least all ten tracks will get listened to. I don't mind losing, I expect to. Just that last year I put a bit of thought into 10 varied tracks and got beat by a supermarket "best driving tracks" CD, and it seemed kinda pointless, and had no horse to back after a single day.

I'll still vote, but I'll not contribute.


Darkness_Fish wrote:If you feel track vs track is too much hassle, btw, ignore me. I didn't volunteer to run the thing :-)


Hi folks. I'm moving discussion of this over here because I don't want the sign ups thread to get cluttered up with discussions about the rules and format.

Frankly, I don't care how it's done particularly, one year (2014) we did it differently -- we did ten tracks and switched out 1-5 of them each round., but the format has traditionally been 10 tracks, followed by 5 new tracks each subsequent round.

So, I'll run it however the boards want -- track by track or whatever floats the boat of the majority -- but I'd prefer to have consensus be the decider since I don't like making arbitrary decisions much.

What would Track by Track look like logistically for a cup with say...64 or 32 participants? I am unfamiliar with that format for things.

Re: 2018 Cup format and rules discussion...

Posted: 06 Jan 2018, 22:52
by Penk!
When I hosted the Cup a couple of times we had an 8+3 format: eight songs in round one, with three added each round.

It worked well as the lists were more compact, less unwieldy and offputting, while still offering scope for variety and creativity and personality. I think it was better than the classic 10+5 format, which just gets ridiculously long and boring by the final rounds.

The track vs track format is best saved for the round-robin tournaments like the '60s Cup, Prog Cup etc. For the overall BCB Cup there'd be too many ties.

Re: 2018 Cup format and rules discussion...

Posted: 06 Jan 2018, 22:53
by martha
Well we'd finish by November.

Re: 2018 Cup format and rules discussion...

Posted: 07 Jan 2018, 11:35
by Velvis
It's a lot of listening at ten tracks, but I like it. I feel I don't expose myself to enough new music these days and appreciate the opportunity. However, I'd just like a few days longer, at least in the first round, to listen and vote. I'm in rehearsal for two plays and have less free time.

Re: 2018 Cup format and rules discussion...

Posted: 07 Jan 2018, 11:45
by Neige
FWIW, I'd favour a 5+2 format.

Re: 2018 Cup format and rules discussion...

Posted: 07 Jan 2018, 17:26
by Samoan
As has been mentioned elsewhere, 8+3 was a good format if I recall: very enjoyable.

Re: 2018 Cup format and rules discussion...

Posted: 07 Jan 2018, 20:17
by Darkness_Fish
Not to make it all about me, but I might consider a much shorter playlist. My main point is that it's more fun to have a horse to back for longer, with the playlist vs playlist format I've normally lost within a day, so it's not as engaging from that point on.

Re: 2018 Cup format and rules discussion...

Posted: 07 Jan 2018, 20:27
by Penk!
I don't think your problem is the format so much as the fact that nobody else on BCB is likely to vote for a mixture of '80s ambient industrial and modern acid folk recorded in a dog kennel in Minnesota.

Re: 2018 Cup format and rules discussion...

Posted: 07 Jan 2018, 20:38
by Darkness_Fish
PENK wrote:I don't think your problem is the format so much as the fact that nobody else on BCB is likely to vote for a mixture of '80s ambient industrial and modern acid folk recorded in a dog kennel in Minnesota.

Nah, I don't mind no-one voting for it, I just like the abuse to be stretched out a bit further. I'm one of those who slowly peels off a plaster :-)

Re: 2018 Cup format and rules discussion...

Posted: 08 Jan 2018, 09:40
by Loki
8 + 3 is good. And a bit of extra time in the first round would be preferable, yeah.


But I wouldn't complain about 10 + 5.

Re: 2018 Cup format and rules discussion...

Posted: 08 Jan 2018, 18:55
by toomanyhatz
Another vote for 8+3, but as I said I'm down regardless. This is like a second Christmas for me.

Re: 2018 Cup format and rules discussion...

Posted: 08 Jan 2018, 19:57
by The Modernist
I'll throw in my hat for 8 + 3 as well.

Re: 2018 Cup format and rules discussion...

Posted: 08 Jan 2018, 22:02
by clive gash
I’d even go 6+3

Re: 2018 Cup format and rules discussion...

Posted: 09 Jan 2018, 16:10
by Goat Boy
I'm a classicist so 10+5

Re: 2018 Cup format and rules discussion...

Posted: 16 Jan 2018, 11:20
by Darkness_Fish
Do we have any consensus, or is it just ignore me and stick with the usual, given that I've abandoned my principles?

Re: 2018 Cup format and rules discussion...

Posted: 16 Jan 2018, 12:55
by The Modernist
Darkness_Fish wrote:Do we have any consensus, or is it just ignore me and stick with the usual, given that I've abandoned my principles?


I get the impression, from comments here but also ones over the years, that people prefer a more pared down cup.

Re: 2018 Cup format and rules discussion...

Posted: 16 Jan 2018, 13:29
by Loki
nev harp wrote:I’d even go 6+3


Hmmmmm, that could be interesting. With longer lists, songs can sometimes get 'buried'. 6 might have sharper focus.

Re: 2018 Cup format and rules discussion...

Posted: 16 Jan 2018, 13:56
by The Modernist
I've picked my 8 tracks so I really hope that happens.

Re: 2018 Cup format and rules discussion...

Posted: 16 Jan 2018, 14:16
by martha
Looks like 8+3 at the moment. FWIW I already factored a longer voting period/listing time for the 1st two rounds.

At present the polling/vote here plays out like this.

martha 10+5
PENK - 8+3 eight songs in round one, with three added each round.
Velvis - 10+5 and longer rounds at least initially, to listen and vote.
Neige 5+2 format.
Samoan 8+3
Darkness_Fish - 1 v 1 Track by Track or at least a much shorter playlist
Loki 8 + 3 and a longer first round
toomanyhatz 8+3
The Modernist 8 + 3
nev harp 6+3
Goat Boy 10+5

Re: 2018 Cup format and rules discussion...

Posted: 16 Jan 2018, 14:31
by Mike Boom
10-5