Prog Cup 2019 Final Round Match 1

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Prog Cup 2019 Final Round Match 1

Postby never/ever » 23 Jun 2019, 11:28

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Steven Wilson - Pariah





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Art Zoyd - Génération Sans Futur

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Re: Prog Cup 2019 Final Round Match 1

Postby Purgatory Brite » 23 Jun 2019, 12:05

The YouTube isn't playing for me, so here's another one -




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Postby never/ever » 23 Jun 2019, 12:06

Thanks mate- both seem to work for me!
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Re: Prog Cup 2019 Final Round Match 1

Postby Purgatory Brite » 23 Jun 2019, 12:15

I thought the Steven Wilson song wasn't as memorable as best works.

Surprisingly, on this listening, I liked the Art Zoyd track. It started and ended well, wasn't so keen on the discordant piano and skronking saxes from 5.40 onwards.

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Re: Prog Cup 2019 Final Round Match 1

Postby C » 23 Jun 2019, 13:19

A was DC as expected but PP DC.

The female screeching was intolerable.

Thanks, but no thanks

I remember Art Zoyd back in 1969/70 a school friend picked up one of their albums whilst on holiday in France.

He didn't like it - 'too much noise' I recall him saying but I love a bit of noise and there is a distinct nod to Edgard Varese and therefore Zappa.

I'll have soem of that

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Re: Prog Cup 2019 Final Round Match 1

Postby joels344 » 23 Jun 2019, 16:42

I know Steven Wilson is well-versed in prog culture and has done a fine job remixing classic albums, but there’s something about his music in which tracks seem to follow a similar timbre and melodic structure. I find some of his solo career, this track, in particular, to be not too far off from some mainstream pop music, while trying to disguise itself as something more. Meanwhile, Art Zoyd are innovators who have made some truly immense chamber compositions such as this track here. In fact, Génération sans futur remains one of the strongest examples of RIO/avant-prog ever recorded. B easily.
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Postby toomanyhatz » 23 Jun 2019, 20:13

Yeah, I think I'm w joels about A. Never liked the Gabriel/Bush duet on "Don't Give Up," which has always sounded a bit wet to me. This reminds me of it.

B has much depth of mood and is an actual composition with waves and peaks and valleys. Would have to listen more to really "get it," but I already know it's way better than A.
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Re: Prog Cup 2019 Final Round Match 1

Postby joels344 » 23 Jun 2019, 20:18

toomanyhatz wrote:Never liked the Gabriel/Bush duet on "Don't Give Up," which has always sounded a bit wet to me. This reminds me of it.



That’s a damn good comparison there.
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Postby Neige » 23 Jun 2019, 22:56

B is bold and adventurous, but I prefer A
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Re: Prog Cup 2019 Final Round Match 1

Postby Jumper K » 24 Jun 2019, 15:20

Generic safe MOR or, frankly crazy, verging on the ridiculous, discordant rubbish?
Mark me down for B.

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Re: Prog Cup 2019 Final Round Match 1

Postby trans-chigley express » 24 Jun 2019, 15:39

Wilson can adapt to most styles and pretty much nail it. This ballad is one of his safest sounding pop songs, it's very good but I do think he's done much better. The addition of Ninet Tayeb to share the vocals does take in on another level - and I love Don't Give Up too so I have no issues with that style of duet.

I really enjoyed B until the 5 minute mark. Lots of wonderful sounds and details to excite but I did find the free-for-all in the latter half a bit of a chore to get through.

Two good efforts with pros and cons but on balance I'll go with A

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Re: Prog Cup 2019 Final Round Match 1

Postby John aka Josh » 25 Jun 2019, 20:43

B was all kinds of fun, Steve Wilson wasn't.
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Postby C » 26 Jun 2019, 15:29

John aka Josh wrote:B was all kinds of fun, Steve Wilson wasn't.


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Re: Prog Cup 2019 Final Round Match 1

Postby Hightea » 28 Jun 2019, 04:25

trans-chigley express wrote:Wilson can adapt to most styles and pretty much nail it. This ballad is one of his safest sounding pop songs, it's very good but I do think he's done much better. The addition of Ninet Tayeb to share the vocals does take in on another level - and I love Don't Give Up too so I have no issues with that style of duet.

I agree.

I'm a fan of Steven Wilson and here he is trying to mix prog and pop on a duet setting. Also vote the end jam. I think its a nice song and like Ninet. Was at the Beacon Steven Wilson show in 2016 and Ninet sang about 7 songs with the band. Never heard her before that and a few months later saw her solo show.

B- was nice but I'll take A

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Re: Prog Cup 2019 Final Round Match 1

Postby never/ever » 29 Jun 2019, 00:19

SW does a nice bit of shoegaze here. Good lyric too, can relate to a lot in it.
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