70s KnockOut Cup- SS 1 *Griff advances*
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70s KnockOut Cup- SS 1 *Griff advances*
A
Les Rallizes Denudes - Night Of The Assassins
B
Bob Dylan - Up To Me
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxo1uu
Les Rallizes Denudes - Night Of The Assassins
B
Bob Dylan - Up To Me
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxo1uu
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Re: 70s KnockOut Cup- QF 1
Well, pretty sure I know who this belongs to....Vote A
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Re: 70s KnockOut Cup- SS 1
B
Nonsense to the aggressiveness, I've seen more aggression on the my little pony message board......I mean I was told.
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Re: 70s KnockOut Cup- SS 1
Not a great start to the new round here.
A's selection feels if they're trying too hard to be different and exotic. I'm all for cult stuff from the margins, but you have to be discerning with this stuff. A threatens to be interesting ,but in the end was so poorly recorded that it was barely listenable. I've just got back from a boot fair where I saw loads of pottery with terrible chips and cracks and thought "you can't sell that in that condition"..which is how I feel about A.
B sums up a lot of my problems with 70s Dylan - lyrically very good, but too plain melodically and really lacking in musical variation. I find it a bit dull to be honest.
However...B
A's selection feels if they're trying too hard to be different and exotic. I'm all for cult stuff from the margins, but you have to be discerning with this stuff. A threatens to be interesting ,but in the end was so poorly recorded that it was barely listenable. I've just got back from a boot fair where I saw loads of pottery with terrible chips and cracks and thought "you can't sell that in that condition"..which is how I feel about A.
B sums up a lot of my problems with 70s Dylan - lyrically very good, but too plain melodically and really lacking in musical variation. I find it a bit dull to be honest.
However...B
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Re: 70s KnockOut Cup- SS 1
The Modernist wrote:I'm all for cult stuff from the margins
I'm on my phone right now, and it's too much hassle to find that Jimmy Hill meme, can someone do it for me?
Like fast-moving clouds casting shadows against a hillside, the melody-loop shuddered with a sense of the sublime, the awful unknowable majesty of the world.
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Re: 70s KnockOut Cup- SS 1
So apparently there is somebody who actually gets some pleasure at listening to A and expects to find some support. Curious. Even more curious that there are some BCB chances to succeed.
I would have liked to have a finished version of B instead of Lilly-Rosemary-and-all-that-fucking-mess in the album. Anyway it is more than enough here.
B
I would have liked to have a finished version of B instead of Lilly-Rosemary-and-all-that-fucking-mess in the album. Anyway it is more than enough here.
B
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Re: 70s KnockOut Cup- SS 1
A is the choice of the non-clueless, the non-cretin
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Re: 70s KnockOut Cup- SS 1
A has got to be kidding. Bring back Little Peggy March. B by default.
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Re: 70s KnockOut Cup- SS 1
a - ooh, twelve minutes. goody. And the bass riff from Peggy March's 'I Will Follow Him', that's rad. Oh sod it I got better things to do with my time. I may or may not be back
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Re: 70s KnockOut Cup- SS 1
So apparently there is somebody who actually gets some pleasure at listening to B and expects to find some support. Curious. Even more curious that there are some BCB chances to succeed.
I do like A's ESL-Jesus-&-Mary-Chain-I-Will-Follow action. It does go on a bit, though.
A
I do like A's ESL-Jesus-&-Mary-Chain-I-Will-Follow action. It does go on a bit, though.
A
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Re: 70s KnockOut Cup- SS 1
If I must.....
I fully understand why the Dylan track never made it onto the album. It says all it has to say (musically) in the first 20 seconds. It lasts over 6 minutes.
The first track is 12 minutes of noise (mostly) but there are at least three changes of 'content' from the starting piece. However, none of them are any good.
I really want to abstain because neither deserve a vote. But I never have and never will so, honestly, it's got to be A
I fully understand why the Dylan track never made it onto the album. It says all it has to say (musically) in the first 20 seconds. It lasts over 6 minutes.
The first track is 12 minutes of noise (mostly) but there are at least three changes of 'content' from the starting piece. However, none of them are any good.
I really want to abstain because neither deserve a vote. But I never have and never will so, honestly, it's got to be A
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Re: 70s KnockOut Cup- SS 1
A had some nice music going on - a bit overlong though
However, the Dylan track was robust and seminal and full of oooofness
Sadly, it lacked tubs but never mind.
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However, the Dylan track was robust and seminal and full of oooofness
Sadly, it lacked tubs but never mind.
Good lad
-+B+-
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Re: 70s KnockOut Cup- SS 1
I'm old school, so I like B more than A, but just.
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Re: 70s KnockOut Cup- SS 1
His Bobness. A pity this song is only available on a box set that costs an arm and a leg.
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Re: 70s KnockOut Cup- SS 1
A was cute, but ran out of surprises in minute two, let alone 12. B is almost a bit of a cheat, as its official release is actually this year, but it is, as Griff says, a masterclass vocally. Again, nothing chin-stroky here at all - the "poetry" on display is not even close to what's best about it. It's not even close to my favorite from the (now extended) album. But Dylan, nasal parodies to the contrary, is a great singer and musician, regardless of his limited skills. There's mountains of evidence here. A can't hold a candle to even an average Dylan performance.
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Re: 70s KnockOut Cup- SS 1
Great use of the comedy "I'm all for ... " there by Moddie, a statement that has never ever been used without the second part of the sentence contradicting the first. But fear not, G, I didn't try too hard, no strain was involved. Perhaps if I'd chosen an early Keiji Haino track I'd have ruptured something? I'll be sure to check with our cult classic correspondent in future competitions, as I fear I'm heading out of this one. Anyone who knows me well enough knows I'm fairly obsessed with this particular song, it's an absolute monolith of feedback and groove, one of my absolute all-time favourites songs. Some would say LRD were a one trick pony, but that's not true, they didn't always have a catchy bassline. I know this goes on for 12 minutes, and I almost picked the equally catchy "The Night Collectors" because it's 4 minutes shorter, but that would seem pointless given that I've listened to this back to back so many times, (not always this particular version, which is probably the most famous recording), I could never tire of it. There's something about the construction, the way the absolute squall of feedback and guitar violence occasionally give way a little to Mizutani's vocal sections and that little catchy chorus/bridge thing, occasionally the Peggy March bit speeds up, and then it all collapses in on itself again. It never needs to stop. Indeed, I've listened to it twice while writing all this nonsense. It is an absolute wall of beauty.
Now I'm all for Bob Dylan, but generally only when he's singing protest songs in the 1960s with his acoustic and harmonica. This might give lie to that though, it reminds me a lot of "Tangled up in Blue" and "Shelter from the Storm", there's a lot to be said for Dylan when he's keeping it simple musically and lyrically. I guess it didn't get on Blood on the Tracks because of that similarity, or was it an early version of one of those? Bob made many worse tracks than this around this time, but it doesn't develop much.
Has to be A, obviously.
Now I'm all for Bob Dylan, but generally only when he's singing protest songs in the 1960s with his acoustic and harmonica. This might give lie to that though, it reminds me a lot of "Tangled up in Blue" and "Shelter from the Storm", there's a lot to be said for Dylan when he's keeping it simple musically and lyrically. I guess it didn't get on Blood on the Tracks because of that similarity, or was it an early version of one of those? Bob made many worse tracks than this around this time, but it doesn't develop much.
Has to be A, obviously.
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Re: 70s KnockOut Cup- SS 1
I'm behind Sir John on this one.
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