70s Cup Grand Final Match 10 *Loki 11- Diamond Dog 24*

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70s Cup Grand Final Match 10 *Loki 11- Diamond Dog 24*

Postby never/ever » 23 Nov 2018, 09:27

A

Steely Dan - The Caves of Altamira





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Peter Gabriel - Humdrum

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Re: 70s Cup Grand Final Match 10

Postby Diamond Dog » 23 Nov 2018, 11:37

The Steely Dan tune is a very familiar path with them - I always think by this time they'd run out of surprises and there were little tricks and patterns appearing in lots of their tracks that were eerily reminiscent of what had gone before. "The Caves..." is a bulk standard Dan tune - I like it well enough, but I could think of probably 20 previous songs of theirs I'd be more likely to choose to listen to.

The Gabriel song, however, comes from his debut solo album where he seemed to just mix everything he hadn't been able to do within Genesis and run with it, incongruous as it often was (within itself and within the album too, on occasion). But on "Humdrum" (and "Here Comes The Flood") he absolutely nails it - the slow quite intro which drags you in, the uptempo break (which catches you totally unaware) and then the mighty synth driven finale. A beautiful tune.

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Re: 70s Cup Grand Final Match 10

Postby Purgatory Brite » 23 Nov 2018, 15:14

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Re: 70s Cup Grand Final Match 10

Postby The Modernist » 23 Nov 2018, 17:41

Not very keen on either. The Dan track seems very by numbers, it feels as if all the thought has gone into the lyric. Musically it feels like they are ripping off themselves.
B isn't much of a song either, but there is a stronger attempt to create a memorable mood.

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Re: 70s Cup Grand Final Match 10

Postby Loki » 23 Nov 2018, 21:36

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Re: 70s Cup Grand Final Match 10

Postby Darkness_Fish » 23 Nov 2018, 21:47

I still don't really know what Steely Dan sound like. I have no expectations of them, they haven't actually crossed my musical path very much. I don't know what it is with the way the vocal is recorded, there's quite a few things that sound like this in the 70s, it just winds me up, that sound is all wrong. Sounds like something I'd expect in a bad wine bar in Grimsby.

B is one of those stadium-introspective things, where he wants to sound intimate but also remind you that he's a bloody massive rock star, so he's having loads of echo on the vocals and straining even when he's whispering. Springsteen does that too. It goes to shit as soon as the overblown instrumentation comes in. It's less bad than A though.

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Re: 70s Cup Grand Final Match 10

Postby naughty boy » 23 Nov 2018, 22:07

I quite like that Gabriel tune. I think I heard it here once before. It's not bad.

I have very little interest in anything Steely Dan did after Countdown to Ecstasy. This is the usual glutinous mess.


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Re: 70s Cup Grand Final Match 10

Postby Polishgirl » 23 Nov 2018, 22:26

Blimey. Two things I hadn't anticipated prior to the start of the 70s Cup:

1) How much Steely Dan there would be
2) How much I would take against Steely Dan

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Re: 70s Cup Grand Final Match 10

Postby sloopjohnc » 24 Nov 2018, 05:57

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Re: 70s Cup Grand Final Match 10

Postby C » 24 Nov 2018, 10:00

Three bands I have never managed to get into Steely Dan, 10cc and Supertramp.

This track selection does not change that.

Gabriel on the other hand is full of music and oooofness.

Humdrum is robust and seminal and absolutely delightful.

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Re: 70s Cup Grand Final Match 10

Postby WG Kaspar » 24 Nov 2018, 10:13

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Re: 70s Cup Grand Final Match 10

Postby Rayge » 24 Nov 2018, 14:29

a - Not familiar with this track from the Dan. Spent the first minute waiting for a chorus, and when it arrived there wasn't much to it. In fact, I spent most of the track waiting for the band to cut loose - and when they finally did get to the solo spot, a rather underwhelming smooth tootle on soprano sax (?) rather than a Skunked-up guitar. I can't say I disliked it - there was literally nothing there to snag or irritate – but ultimately it was all too polite for my taste. - 4 / 10
b - it may surprise one or two who have read my views on this guy's former band to hear that not only is he not on my list, but that I also bought a couple of his early solo singles. That said, I never listened to any of his albums, so this is new to me. And yet again, bizarrely, there's a minute of intro before the track bursts into blossom and goes pretty apeshit for a prog alumnus. The strings/synths and piano and the fullness of the sound that virtually overwhelms PG's voice in the last minute or so provided at least a simulacrum of passion and dynamics, and were enough to win this tie. 5 / 10


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Re: 70s Cup Grand Final Match 10

Postby Nick Danger » 24 Nov 2018, 15:01

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Re: 70s Cup Grand Final Match 10

Postby echolalia » 24 Nov 2018, 15:55

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Re: 70s Cup Grand Final Match 10

Postby toomanyhatz » 25 Nov 2018, 03:29

For being from somewhat popular artists, these are inventive choices. And while A is from my favorite 'Dan album (more proof that I'm decidedly outside the BBC mainstream), it might be my least favorite song from it.

B is a reminder that Gabriel was an interesting artist for a while between the flower heads and the world beat nonsense.
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Re: 70s Cup Grand Final Match 10

Postby trans-chigley express » 25 Nov 2018, 11:16

I almost picked the Gabriel track for my own list and regret not doing so now seeing it do well albeit against a typically dull Dan track.

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Re: 70s Cup Grand Final Match 10

Postby Penk! » 25 Nov 2018, 11:56

And we go out with a whimper rather than a bang.

A is more to my taste than other Steely Dan efforts, though I'm not rushing out to buy the album any time soon. It felt a bit tighter and I guess I just didn't mind the tune that much; often, their melodies set my teeth on edge.

B has a lot of ideas flying around, I suppose. Whether any of them were worth pursuing is another matter.

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Re: 70s Cup Grand Final Match 10

Postby fange » 25 Nov 2018, 12:58

Great albums, but ... not really the tracks i'd choose from either, i'm afraid. A by a nose.


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Re: 70s Cup Grand Final Match 10

Postby kath » 25 Nov 2018, 13:52

i'm with DD here. the dan track is alright, i don't dislike it, it just doesn't stand out to me in any particular way.

i haven't heard that gabriel track in some time. it has its weird bits here and there, but overall... yeah, i think it's beautiful.


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Re: 70s Cup Grand Final Match 10

Postby Hightea » 25 Nov 2018, 16:37

A -its a nice SD tune which isn't saying much since I'm not a fan of their smooth jazz rock shtick.

B - A beautiful Gabriel tune. Vocals, Lyrics, Piano and band all wonderful easy win.

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