70s Cup Round 8 Match 10 *Loki 14- algroth 13*

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70s Cup Round 8 Match 10 *Loki 14- algroth 13*

Postby never/ever » 07 Nov 2018, 09:13

A

Carly Simon - That's The Way






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Magma - De Futura

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Re: 70s Cup Round 8 Match 10

Postby C » 07 Nov 2018, 10:47

Two very different tracks and I like them both.

Magma - what can one say - full of music in tons/tonnes

A Steve Davis favourite - if it's good enough for Steve it's good enough for me.

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Re: 70s Cup Round 8 Match 10

Postby Purgatory Brite » 07 Nov 2018, 12:00

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As a prog fan, I have issues with the music of Magma. I am unable to engage with this and many more of their tracks.

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Re: 70s Cup Round 8 Match 10

Postby naughty boy » 07 Nov 2018, 12:08

Both awful.

No doubt G will put up some kind of defence of A, saying it strives for pop perfection and works really well and is too readily dismissed by BCBers. I don't know. As someone semi-famous once said, there's not enough there there

And B is just horrible, and I'm not proud of my sentiments, 'cos they're predictable in this case. But really, what do you expect? It's a load of old crap and the fact that Steve Davis and the BCB goons are the only people I know who support it doesn't really entice me to give it much more than 20 seconds of my time

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Re: 70s Cup Round 8 Match 10

Postby The Modernist » 07 Nov 2018, 12:37

RELD-LOMAX inc. wrote:Both awful.

No doubt G will put up some kind of defence of A, saying it strives for pop perfection and works really well and is too readily dismissed by BCBers. I don't know. As someone semi-famous once said, there's not enough there there



Maybe...I'll let you know when I listen to it. I don't know either track (at least not by title).

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Re: 70s Cup Round 8 Match 10

Postby pcqgod » 07 Nov 2018, 16:06

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Re: 70s Cup Round 8 Match 10

Postby Dayodead » 07 Nov 2018, 16:27

B, I guess...

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Re: 70s Cup Round 8 Match 10

Postby Diamond Dog » 07 Nov 2018, 16:44

The Magma is ... poor. And I'm being charitable.

Carly Simon wrote some great music in her time, and this is right up there. It broaches a difficult subject and handles it sensitively and with some insight. A beautiful tune. A.
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Re: 70s Cup Round 8 Match 10

Postby Loki » 07 Nov 2018, 18:15

Diamond Dog wrote:Carly Simon wrote some great music in her time, and this is right up there. It broaches a difficult subject and handles it sensitively and with some insight. A beautiful tune.


It's almost an anthem of the women's movement - testament to the social changes that were upon us. Living together was a scandalous thing a mere 40 or so years ago.

Yes it's a beautiful song. The verse is moody and plaintive, and then the chorus sweeps in, ushering us into a tentative new era. It soars.

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Re: 70s Cup Round 8 Match 10

Postby Polishgirl » 07 Nov 2018, 19:08

A has got an appealingly melancholic flavour and Carly Simon's voice is hard to resist, plus I adore "You're So Vain" and I don't like B

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Re: 70s Cup Round 8 Match 10

Postby Darkness_Fish » 07 Nov 2018, 21:55

A's the kind of earnest ballad writ-large that makes me think of Barbra Streisand films and Carpenters mawkishness. It might have a forward thinking lyric well-written, but there's too much bombast, it's far too overcooked to do anything other than go "look I'm a FUCKING BIG PIANO BALLAD". Meatloaf would turn it down for being too overbearing.

17 minutes of Magma? Joel, you've got to be shitting me. Can I vote for it, if I don't listen to it all. Feck it. I'll come back tomorrow.
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Re: 70s Cup Round 8 Match 10

Postby toomanyhatz » 07 Nov 2018, 22:12

B is ridiculous and overblown. I love it.

I like A too, but again, she has non-hits I like more and that would impress me more as picks. Not to repeat myself.
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Re: 70s Cup Round 8 Match 10

Postby The Modernist » 08 Nov 2018, 00:17

Carly Simon began in a quite interesting, intimate way but soon lost me with that booming, overwrought chorus. It was like an early prototype of the 80s power ballad.
The Magma one began quite horribly but if you skip along 3 or 4 minutes it does develop a groove and the kind of alarming soundscape that I can imagine in a Dario Argento movie. Would probably rather hear something else that just sampled the good bits of it and recontextualised them in a better record.

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Re: 70s Cup Round 8 Match 10

Postby The Modernist » 08 Nov 2018, 00:19

Darkness_Fish wrote:A's the kind of earnest ballad writ-large that makes me think of Barbra Streisand films and Carpenters mawkishness. It might have a forward thinking lyric well-written, but there's too much bombast, it's far too overcooked to do anything other than go "look I'm a FUCKING BIG PIANO BALLAD". Meatloaf would turn it down for being too overbearing.



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Re: 70s Cup Round 8 Match 10

Postby Loki » 08 Nov 2018, 00:34

That explains why you're both wrong. :)
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Re: 70s Cup Round 8 Match 10

Postby joels344 » 08 Nov 2018, 05:45

I don’t vote against Magma, especially when it’s up against Carly Simon and even more so when it’s this track. One of the top prog songs of the 1970s, in my mind. B easily.

And to Fish, I actually didn’t pick this song, surprisingly.
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Re: 70s Cup Round 8 Match 10

Postby Darkness_Fish » 08 Nov 2018, 13:31

Actually, B's way better than I expected, I can understand why it wasn't Joel's pick ;-)

It's all a bit clunky when the vocals come in, but I like the bass and spooky synth sections. Like a funky early Laibach.

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Re: 70s Cup Round 8 Match 10

Postby Belle Lettre » 08 Nov 2018, 14:01

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Re: 70s Cup Round 8 Match 10

Postby trans-chigley express » 08 Nov 2018, 14:31

I'm not always impressed by what I heard from Magma, I generally find them just too hard going and lacking in anything melodic or pleasing to the ear, and it's so often just a slog a get through to the end. Having said that this track has more than enough about it that I liked, not that it was a commercial sell out by any means. I always liked that their logo adopts The Goodies style font.

A flew to close the bland MOR power ballad territory for my liking. The kind of thing my mum would say was "proper music" when I was a kid

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Re: 70s Cup Round 8 Match 10

Postby Osgood » 08 Nov 2018, 15:03

I 100% agree with D_F about A :o

I have heard very little Magma. What I have heard (here, where else?) I liked a lot. Probably it's time for me to go deeper, hard work as it may seem.

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