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70s Cup Round 2 Match 1 *Modernist14- Griff 25*

Postby never/ever » 17 Oct 2018, 10:25


Gary Numan - Complex


David Bowie - Stay

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Re: 70s Cup Round 2 Match 1

Postby Osgood » 17 Oct 2018, 11:48

It would require something very special to beat that Bowie track. I feel merciful and will spare my comments about A

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Re: 70s Cup Round 2 Match 1

Postby Darkness_Fish » 17 Oct 2018, 11:52

Ooh, I like the choice of A, a lesser-known Gary Numan track, that's quite brave, talk about picking someone with a lot of BCB-unfriendly baggage. The opening melody reminds me of Ultravox's "The Man Who Dies Every Day". It's kind of lightweight, isn't it, simplistic synth-pop normally needed more of a hook, there's something just not quite there with this.

The first Bowie pick took longer than expected, and it's from the era I don't really care for much, and is less familiar to me. Cool drumming. Funky guitar. All those things which I don't like. Some of the riffing reminds me of the music they use for snooker on BBC2, which is a random association that just sprung to mind with no particular purpose. Doesn't move me, but neither did A, which is much closer to my comfort zone of synth and eyeliner.

Like fast-moving clouds casting shadows against a hillside, the melody-loop shuddered with a sense of the sublime, the awful unknowable majesty of the world.

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Re: 70s Cup Round 2 Match 1

Postby Diamond Dog » 17 Oct 2018, 11:53

Now this is a real shame - two wonderful songs, pitted against eachother.

I love that swirling synth sound on this (and other) Numan tunes - it cuts through brilliantly. The violin is a lovely touch too.

"Stay" has always been one of my favourite Bowie tracks, and it still sounds magical to my ears. One of his great vocals too....

An incredibly difficult choice but... it's B by a slither.
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Re: 70s Cup Round 2 Match 1

Postby trans-chigley express » 17 Oct 2018, 12:20

Oooh, two real good ones to open round 2. That Bowie album has been one of my most played of his for a while now and Stay is the best track after Golden Years and the title track. Very hard to choose but I'll give it to Numan in what for him was something a little different with the addition of vioin/viola yet still somehow making it sound all electronic and otherworldly.


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Re: 70s Cup Round 2 Match 1

Postby Dor-Relip Hotels and Bathings » 17 Oct 2018, 12:26

Oooh look! it's Bowie doing funk! :lol:

I'm going for A. It's no good, but at least it's over in three minutes.
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Re: 70s Cup Round 2 Match 1

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Re: 70s Cup Round 2 Match 1

Postby The Modernist » 17 Oct 2018, 15:29

Both great. But A is less cool and therefore less obvious.


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Re: 70s Cup Round 2 Match 1

Postby C » 17 Oct 2018, 15:41

I am not a massive Bowie fan and that track selected is not a track I am too keen on.

Numan on the other hand is delightful

I like a bit of fiddle and synth!


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Re: 70s Cup Round 2 Match 1

Postby Polishgirl » 17 Oct 2018, 15:55

Difficult one as my reaction to both is the same ; essentially not keen with the discordancy, but vaguely interested anyway. A has a bit more depth for me

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Re: 70s Cup Round 2 Match 1

Postby sloopjohnc » 17 Oct 2018, 16:12


Real Bowie vs. Bowie pretender
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Re: 70s Cup Round 2 Match 1

Postby GoogaMooga » 17 Oct 2018, 16:15

I'll take the lethargic drone of po-faced Numan over yet another chameleon-like turn by Bowie. Always nice to see a fellow Asperger make good in life.

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Re: 70s Cup Round 2 Match 1

Postby PENK » 17 Oct 2018, 19:00

Whatever happened to Numanoids? You never hear about them any more.

'Stay' is not a favourite Bowie song: it has that powerhouse opening riff and is great for a while, but struggles to maintain that early momentum and ends up going on far too long.

I think, though, that it has enough to beat the nice but inconsequential A.

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Re: 70s Cup Round 2 Match 1

Postby Rayge » 17 Oct 2018, 19:34

A - God, Numan was a dullard wasn't he? Always hated the Tory Twat. At least it's not one of his dreadful hits. In fact it's not at all bad when he keps his gob shut. That vile monotone whine, it's really horrible. Fuck off and die you balding bore. 2.5 / 10 for the bits between
B - God, 'funky' Bowie was several shades of dogshit, wasn't he? This album and Young Americans would be a stain on any escutcheon. Such a dry, nasty sound, cocaine a-gogo. At least his sub-Newley chuntering is not as horribly alienating as Numan, but the rest of this - the 'song', the 'idea', the 'funk', is appalling. The horror, the horror. Lasted three minutes 2/ 10

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Re: 70s Cup Round 2 Match 1

Postby Sneelock » 17 Oct 2018, 20:47

Look in your heart, Skywalker and you will know the answer is B
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Re: 70s Cup Round 2 Match 1

Postby Dayodead » 17 Oct 2018, 20:58

For me, the Numan track fits better when in the context of the album....

Another vote for B...

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Re: 70s Cup Round 2 Match 1

Postby joels344 » 17 Oct 2018, 21:11

I’m going for B as well.

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Re: 70s Cup Round 2 Match 1

Postby Purgatory Brite » 17 Oct 2018, 21:25

With all due respect to Gary Numan, he simply can't compete with The Dame. Bowie takes this tie for me.


When will the inevitable Bowie backlash begin? ;)

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Re: 70s Cup Round 2 Match 1

Postby Ranking Ted » 17 Oct 2018, 21:29

I’d not heard that Gazza Numan track before and it’s pretty if, as has been said, rather inconsequential. Sadly, for it, it’s against a cracker from an album I adore. I know you should get some kind of penalty for picking Bowie but this is fabulous - the two plastic soul records still stand as an apogee of something or other. Whatever it is, I heartily approve.


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Re: 70s Cup Round 2 Match 1

Postby kath » 17 Oct 2018, 21:30

as much as i enjoyed A (and i truly did), i hafta give it to bowie. i love stay. love it.