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Re: Covers Cup

Postby never/ever » 09 Oct 2017, 12:38

Round 3 is up! I will tally that round next Monday evening here down under so you got until that day to vote.

I will tally round 2 on Wednesday and round 4 will go up then too.
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Re: Covers Cup

Postby PENK » 15 Oct 2017, 07:44

never/ever wrote:As per the discussion on the YY-thread: Genuine cover versions only, any genre. No songs that contain original samples off tracks and original content (like certain rap-tracks) as they are no genuine covers.


I think we need to re-examine these rules as it seems we have a few selections sneaking through that would not quite pass the test:
The Smokey Robinson one where he redoes his own song in Spanish.
The Brons one where they redo their own song in a mariachi style.
The Lulu one where Bowie plays the instruments and produces.
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Re: Covers Cup

Postby fange » 15 Oct 2017, 07:50

PENK wrote:
never/ever wrote:As per the discussion on the YY-thread: Genuine cover versions only, any genre. No songs that contain original samples off tracks and original content (like certain rap-tracks) as they are no genuine covers.


I think we need to re-examine these rules as it seems we have a few selections sneaking through that would not quite pass the test:
The Smokey Robinson one where he redoes his own song in Spanish.
The Brons one where they redo their own song in a mariachi style.
The Lulu one where Bowie plays the instruments and produces.
etc etc

Yeah, I tend to agree. Ok, i''ll go back and check.
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Re: Covers Cup

Postby Osgood » 15 Oct 2017, 08:01

Aw, c'mon, let's not get so serious. I agree that those selections are debatable, but what should we do, establish a committee of admittance for the cups? Most of the times this kind of deviations get penalised at the time of voting (same as it happens in the genre cups, broad church etc.) and I think that's enough.
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Re: Covers Cup

Postby fange » 15 Oct 2017, 08:19

Yep, I agree with you too. I'll go back and re-check.


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Re: Covers Cup

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Re: Covers Cup

Postby never/ever » 15 Oct 2017, 09:07

I can see your point Ed and since in the initial set-up I didn't make clear that foreign interpretations and using different singers on an own production were outlawed, I will state that they are legal.
Considering the vast amount of possibilities regarding the topic matter I hadn't thought about any of these deviations. Up to the voter to dismiss these tracks if they feel they break any code.
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Re: Covers Cup

Postby never/ever » 15 Oct 2017, 10:11

Round 5 is underway- Tallying that up Sunday October 22
Round 4 will finish up Wednesday and that's when round 6 starts too.
I'll tally Round 3 tomorrow.
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Re: Covers Cup

Postby fange » 15 Oct 2017, 10:27

Cheers for all the hard work, Maarts.
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Re: Covers Cup

Postby never/ever » 15 Oct 2017, 10:29

Quite alright Ange!
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Re: Covers Cup

Postby never/ever » 18 Oct 2017, 12:52

Round 6 is up- that will last until next Wednesday.

Just one quick request- can you please make sure that if you vote it is clear to me that it is a vote? In the last round I had to make a supposition in regards to this which meant that the match ended in a draw.
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Re: Covers Cup

Postby The Modernist » 19 Oct 2017, 00:17

PENK wrote:
never/ever wrote:As per the discussion on the YY-thread: Genuine cover versions only, any genre. No songs that contain original samples off tracks and original content (like certain rap-tracks) as they are no genuine covers.


I think we need to re-examine these rules as it seems we have a few selections sneaking through that would not quite pass the test:
The Smokey Robinson one where he redoes his own song in Spanish.
The Brons one where they redo their own song in a mariachi style.
The Lulu one where Bowie plays the instruments and produces.
etc etc


The third is clearly a cover, the other two are not.
Perhaps a penalty system needs to be introduced for this infringement where 3 points is taken off their score?

Where it does get complex is when an artist records a song written by themselves but already made famous by someone else. Which is the cover? Some Jimmy Webb recordings would fall into this category. But thankfully it hasn't come up....yet. ;)

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Re: Covers Cup

Postby never/ever » 20 Oct 2017, 10:18

I will not penalise anyone in this case, even though in these three cases, the lines obviously are blurred. Strictly speaking, the Bronx and Robinson-versions aren't exact copies or live-versions of the originals and the transcription into a different music style and language could be viewed as a cover. Since I didn't rule these cases out I can't say now that they should not have been entered in the first place.

The second part of your query, Moddie- if the famous version was the first version of a song recorded and publicly available even if it was written by someone else, i would state that being the original.
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Re: Covers Cup

Postby never/ever » 22 Oct 2017, 01:53

Alright! A lovely bunch of Round 7-ties are up and running, awaiting your punishment scrutiny. that one will last until Sunday October 29.
Meanwhile round 6 will be tallied this Wednesday- for the few that haven't checked it out yet, have a go!
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Re: Covers Cup

Postby sloopjohnc » 24 Oct 2017, 16:43

never/ever wrote: Up to the voter to dismiss these tracks if they feel they break any code.


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Re: Covers Cup

Postby Loki » 24 Oct 2017, 21:26

sloopjohnc wrote:
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Re: Covers Cup

Postby never/ever » 25 Oct 2017, 10:57

I will have to delay tallying round 6 until Saturday.
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Re: Covers Cup

Postby Rayge » 25 Oct 2017, 11:15

never/ever wrote:I will have to delay tallying round 6 until Saturday.


good idea - the usual voter drop-off.

And round 8 - I'd expected more in earlier rounds, but here come the Bea*les covers!
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Re: Covers Cup

Postby The Modernist » 25 Oct 2017, 11:37

Rayge wrote:
good idea - the usual voter drop-off.



I'm not sure how long I'll keep voting to be honest. The quality of selections has been appalling for the most part. And I mean objectively really bad, not just 'this isn't my kind of music'. It's feeling like the death knell for BCB cup competitions, which is a shame for Maarts as he's put a lot of work in it.

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Re: Covers Cup

Postby never/ever » 25 Oct 2017, 12:08

It is OK G! I enjoy it but it is a shame that there is a difference in the number of votes between rounds 1 and 9....
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