Putting artists names first

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Putting artists names first

Postby The Modernist » 10 Feb 2009, 22:21

I never like to see this. It's an underhand way of gaining an advantage isn't it?

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Re: Putting artists names first

Postby trans-chigley express » 10 Feb 2009, 22:29

Not if you like the sorts of artists I do :(

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Postby PENK » 10 Feb 2009, 22:32

Of course this could all be an elaborate double bluff designed to throw those of us who thought we knew which one G's list was off the scent.
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Re: Putting artists names first

Postby Goat Boy » 10 Feb 2009, 22:33

It's instinctive to put them that way. Besides putting the song first is like writing a date in the American way...it just looks wrong.
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Postby The Modernist » 10 Feb 2009, 22:42

Goat Boy wrote:It's instinctive to put them that way. Besides putting the song first is like writing a date in the American way...it just looks wrong.


You always have the song first. Look at the charts! Where's your sense of pop history.

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Postby Goat Boy » 10 Feb 2009, 22:51

Dr Modernist wrote:
Goat Boy wrote:It's instinctive to put them that way. Besides putting the song first is like writing a date in the American way...it just looks wrong.


You always have the song first. Look at the charts! Where's your sense of pop history.


I don't think I've looked at the charts in years so I've no idea. I just think of it like a compilation and the artist always goes first. Oh well.
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Re: Putting artists names first

Postby Matty Red Sox » 11 Feb 2009, 02:26

Christ almighty, is that why I lost?!?!?!

List A:

Just My Imagination (Running Away With Me) – The Temptations
Deanna – Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
Pressure Drop – The Maytals
A Message To You Rudy- The Specials
I Feel Love – Donna Summer
Ain’t It Fun – Rocket From The Tombs
These Arms Of Mine – Otis Redding
Ace Of Spades – Motorhead
I Can't Write Left Handed – Bill Withers
Lady In The Front Row – Redd Kross
Cocaine In My Brain – Dillinger
Plan B – Dexys Midnight Runners
He’s Simple, He’s Dumb, He’s The Pilot- Grandaddy
Where You There (When They Crucified My Lord) – Johnny Cash & The Carter Family
Rags & Old Iron – Nina Simone


List B:

Kinks - Set Me Free link
Neil Young - Powderfinger link
Eddie Floyd - Big Bird link
Wire - the 15th link
Bruce Springsteen - Highway Patrolman link
Last Poets - Black Soldier link
Ram Jam - Black Betty link
Lightnin' Rod/Jimi Hendrix - Doriella Du Fontaine link
Ride - Like a Daydream link
Yes - Roundabout link
John Coltrane - My Favorite Things link
The Specials - Gangsters link
The Beatles - She Said She Said link
Esquerita - Rockin' the Joint link
Dusty Springfield - Spooky link
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Re: Putting artists names first

Postby Snarfyguy » 11 Feb 2009, 17:55

Goat Boy wrote:[
I don't think I've looked at the charts in years so I've no idea. I just think of it like a compilation and the artist always goes first. Oh well.

No you're quite correct. Artist first always.
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Postby The Modernist » 11 Feb 2009, 17:59

Snarfyguy wrote:
Goat Boy wrote:[
I don't think I've looked at the charts in years so I've no idea. I just think of it like a compilation and the artist always goes first. Oh well.

No you're quite correct. Artist first always.


They don't always go first at all. It's underhand I tell you..and devious!

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Re: Putting artists names first

Postby C » 11 Feb 2009, 18:04

That's it!

I was wondering why my 10 Tangerine Dream tracks, three Cups ago, did so badly

I was wondering why

Problem solved





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Re: Putting artists names first

Postby Tonto Papadopoulos » 11 Feb 2009, 19:39

I'm a big fan of Song Name First. I wouldn't let it sway my voting, though - as the organiser, I have the luxury of being able to vote against the biggest cunt in the match.
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Re: Putting artists names first

Postby king feeb » 11 Feb 2009, 22:02

It's the singer not the song, as Jagger once sang.

So artist first. That way it's also easier to tell if it's crap.
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Re: Putting artists names first

Postby brotherlouie » 11 Feb 2009, 22:04

A Song by A Singer.

Simple.

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Re: Putting artists names first

Postby Neil Jung » 11 Feb 2009, 22:09

king feeb wrote:It's the singer not the song, as Jagger once sang.

So artist first. That way it's also easier to tell if it's crap.


I'm with you on this. I don't know half the songs so end up voting for the artist.
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Postby The Modernist » 11 Feb 2009, 22:22

king feeb wrote:It's the singer not the song, as Jagger once sang.

So artist first. That way it's also easier to tell if it's crap.


It's always about the song Feeb. I think so anyway.

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Postby Tonto Papadopoulos » 11 Feb 2009, 22:34

Dr Modernist wrote:
king feeb wrote:It's the singer not the song, as Jagger once sang.

So artist first. That way it's also easier to tell if it's crap.


It's always about the song Feeb. I think so anyway.


Quite. The vast majority of artists have produced more shit than gold dust. It's the song, especially as far as the Cup is concerned.
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Re: Putting artists names first

Postby The Write Profile » 13 Feb 2009, 13:44

Dr Modernist wrote:
king feeb wrote:It's the singer not the song, as Jagger once sang.

So artist first. That way it's also easier to tell if it's crap.


It's always about the song Feeb. I think so anyway.


It's both, of course. Otherwise, by your theory, Phil Collins and the Supremes' versions of "You Can't Hurry Love" are one and the same. ;) No seriously, I see what you're getting at there, and it's true that even the most regarded artists have songs that stand a mile out, and ones that are found wanting, the judgement call, of course, depending on your taste. So I can see why Modernist queries the "artist first" format, but I think (for me) anyway, it's unconscious really, I guess it stems from when you're referencing works of literature or films, the standard method is to always put the author (or director first). I don't necessarily think it's an unfair advantage because I don't think my eyes stop in between, although obviously if I like the artist I'm more inclined to like the song chosen. Ultimately, you're right, the BCB Cup is about "songs" (or tracks or whatever you want to call them), but the artist who played them can have a big say in how they go down. I wouldn't vote in favour of CCR's "Heard it Through the Grapevine" over Marvin's for instance, even though I love both artists, because CCR's version is manifestly inferior (indeed, I'm not a fan of their version at all, it's too overwrought). I might, possibly, vote for Gladys Knight & the Pips or even the Slits versions, though, if I'm feeling charitable.
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Re: Putting artists names first

Postby Quaco » 13 Feb 2009, 18:48

I think a more important change would be to put a line space between each song. I look at the lists and my eyes zip through them. They don't slow down enough to really catch every song, some of which are quite subtle or profound when you think about them for a second.

In a perfect world, there would be an audio link to all of them. People posting that they didn't know most of the tunes so they voted for the list that had x song on it has got to be disheartening for contestants. (It's better than me though, not knowing enough of the songs so not even voting.)

I agree that "song first" makes more sense in theory, though the other way doesn't bother me and is a bit easier to absorb. Especially if you're scanning the lists quickly, as I've mentioned above...
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