THE BITTER RECRIMINATIONS THREAD 2006

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Postby Ranking Ted » 15 Feb 2006, 22:20

dgs wrote:Surely, the concept in this sort of competition is not to determine what are the best songs on an individual basis, otherwise its just a rehash of the vote your best 10 and then its a pretty logical conclusion as to whats going to win but rather the 10, 15, 20 songs as a whole, the sequence, the feeling, the blend of influences.

or have i totally misunderstood?

No, that's my take as well. I never thought of this as a personal all time top 10, just a list of songs you dig today, a snapshot, not a last will and testament. That way hopefully there'd be a bit of freshness to it.

I liked TRSP's summary, pretty accurate really. Snarfy's right too, ultimately a lot of stuff is classic because it's unimpeachibly great, visionary, influential and everyone likes it. But we could end up choosing another BCB hall of fame and present the Tommy Tippee Cup (still laughing at that!) if we're not careful.

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Postby beenieman » 15 Feb 2006, 22:30

This is last year's winner:


Some Velvet Morning - Lee & Nancy
Another Girl, Another Planet - the Only Ones
I'm Always Touched By Your Presence Dear - Blondie
Atmosphere - Joy Division
Just My Imagination - the Temptations
Cherie - Suicide
People Get Ready - the Impressions
Heroes - David Bowie
Pressure Drop - Toots & the Maytals
Born To Lose - the Heartbreakers
Smash It Up (parts 1 & 2) - the Damned
Pale Blue Eyes - the Velvet Underground
Whole Wide World - Wreckless Eric
Little Black Egg - the Nightcrawlers
I Feel Love - Donna Summer
Nearly Lost You - Screaming Trees
Stand! - Sly and the Family Stone
Song To the Siren - This Mortal Coil
She Said Yeah - the Rolling Stones
Feed the Trees - Belly
Cindy Tells Me - Brian Eno
Suspicious Minds - Elvis Presley
The Ship Song - Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
Train From Kansas City - the Shangri Las
Motor Away - Guided By Voices
Teenage Kicks - the Undertones
Land - Patti Smith
Damaged Goods - Gang of Four
Maggot Brain - Funkadelic
Belle - Al Green
Who Knows Where the Time Goes - Sandy Denny
I Believe - the Buzzcocks
Teacher, Teacher - Rockpile
Mona Lisas and the Mad Hatters - Elton John
Autumn Stone - the Small Faces


Not that many canonical songs but largely canonical artists. A very very mixed bag.

I wouldn't have voted for it.

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Postby Tonto Papadopoulos » 15 Feb 2006, 22:33

drk_smlls wrote:
dgs wrote:Surely, the concept in this sort of competition is not to determine what are the best songs on an individual basis, otherwise its just a rehash of the vote your best 10 and then its a pretty logical conclusion as to whats going to win but rather the 10, 15, 20 songs as a whole, the sequence, the feeling, the blend of influences.

or have i totally misunderstood?

No, that's my take as well. I never thought of this as a personal all time top 10, just a list of songs you dig today, a snapshot, not a last will and testament. That way hopefully there'd be a bit of freshness to it.

I liked TRSP's summary, pretty accurate really. Snarfy's right too, ultimately a lot of stuff is classic because it's unimpeachibly great, visionary, influential and everyone likes it. But we could end up choosing another BCB hall of fame and present the Tommy Tippee Cup (still laughing at that!) if we're not careful.


i tried to pick songs which were dear to me and, even though i was surprised how many canonical™ artists ended up in my list, i went - for the most part - for less obvious songs that just hit my cheery bliss spot.

but, of course, we all end up voting for the list that excites us the most - the one that we just like more.

i was thinking about this before. i'm sure i'm not alone in being surprised at moments of antipathy or even hostility to certain of our choices because, in our little world, we're thinking "god, this list is the fucking shit. everyone's going to love it! wow, i'm so clever!". :lol:
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Postby Ranking Ted » 15 Feb 2006, 22:34

I think I voted for SBA! But that's a great collection of songs, no contest. If we end up with a list as eclectic, interesting and enjoyable as that, we'll have done well. I'm enjoying this!

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Postby Tonto Papadopoulos » 15 Feb 2006, 22:35

beenieman wrote:This is last year's winner:


Some Velvet Morning - Lee & Nancy
Another Girl, Another Planet - the Only Ones
I'm Always Touched By Your Presence Dear - Blondie
Atmosphere - Joy Division
Just My Imagination - the Temptations
Cherie - Suicide
People Get Ready - the Impressions
Heroes - David Bowie
Pressure Drop - Toots & the Maytals
Born To Lose - the Heartbreakers
Smash It Up (parts 1 & 2) - the Damned
Pale Blue Eyes - the Velvet Underground
Whole Wide World - Wreckless Eric
Little Black Egg - the Nightcrawlers
I Feel Love - Donna Summer
Nearly Lost You - Screaming Trees
Stand! - Sly and the Family Stone
Song To the Siren - This Mortal Coil
She Said Yeah - the Rolling Stones
Feed the Trees - Belly
Cindy Tells Me - Brian Eno
Suspicious Minds - Elvis Presley
The Ship Song - Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
Train From Kansas City - the Shangri Las
Motor Away - Guided By Voices
Teenage Kicks - the Undertones
Land - Patti Smith
Damaged Goods - Gang of Four
Maggot Brain - Funkadelic
Belle - Al Green
Who Knows Where the Time Goes - Sandy Denny
I Believe - the Buzzcocks
Teacher, Teacher - Rockpile
Mona Lisas and the Mad Hatters - Elton John
Autumn Stone - the Small Faces


Not that many canonical songs but largely canonical artists. A very very mixed bag.

I wouldn't have voted for it.


fucking rubbish, really.
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Postby Ranking Ted » 15 Feb 2006, 22:39

EverythingButTheGiraffe wrote: i was thinking about this before. i'm sure i'm not alone in being surprised at moments of antipathy or even hostility to certain of our choices because, in our little world, we're thinking "god, this list is the fucking shit. everyone's going to love it! wow, i'm so clever!". :lol:
Yep. Most of the ones I've went "ugh" at are obviously lists that meant a lot to the compiler. So I went for the one with the Beatles on it.

What was my point again?

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Postby The Prof » 15 Feb 2006, 22:49

beenieman wrote:This is last year's winner:


Some Velvet Morning - Lee & Nancy
Another Girl, Another Planet - the Only Ones
I'm Always Touched By Your Presence Dear - Blondie
Atmosphere - Joy Division
Just My Imagination - the Temptations
Cherie - Suicide
People Get Ready - the Impressions
Heroes - David Bowie
Pressure Drop - Toots & the Maytals
Born To Lose - the Heartbreakers
Smash It Up (parts 1 & 2) - the Damned
Pale Blue Eyes - the Velvet Underground
Whole Wide World - Wreckless Eric
Little Black Egg - the Nightcrawlers
I Feel Love - Donna Summer
Nearly Lost You - Screaming Trees
Stand! - Sly and the Family Stone
Song To the Siren - This Mortal Coil
She Said Yeah - the Rolling Stones
Feed the Trees - Belly
Cindy Tells Me - Brian Eno
Suspicious Minds - Elvis Presley
The Ship Song - Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
Train From Kansas City - the Shangri Las
Motor Away - Guided By Voices
Teenage Kicks - the Undertones
Land - Patti Smith
Damaged Goods - Gang of Four
Maggot Brain - Funkadelic
Belle - Al Green
Who Knows Where the Time Goes - Sandy Denny
I Believe - the Buzzcocks
Teacher, Teacher - Rockpile
Mona Lisas and the Mad Hatters - Elton John
Autumn Stone - the Small Faces


Not that many canonical songs but largely canonical artists. A very very mixed bag.

I wouldn't have voted for it.


Yeh, that would make a good double album

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Postby 010101010101 » 15 Feb 2006, 22:51

drk_smlls wrote:I think I voted for SBA!


And quite right too. Much better than that other list.

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Postby beenieman » 15 Feb 2006, 22:56

The Prof wrote:
beenieman wrote:This is last year's winner:


Some Velvet Morning - Lee & Nancy
Another Girl, Another Planet - the Only Ones
I'm Always Touched By Your Presence Dear - Blondie
Atmosphere - Joy Division
Just My Imagination - the Temptations
Cherie - Suicide
People Get Ready - the Impressions
Heroes - David Bowie
Pressure Drop - Toots & the Maytals
Born To Lose - the Heartbreakers
Smash It Up (parts 1 & 2) - the Damned
Pale Blue Eyes - the Velvet Underground
Whole Wide World - Wreckless Eric
Little Black Egg - the Nightcrawlers
I Feel Love - Donna Summer
Nearly Lost You - Screaming Trees
Stand! - Sly and the Family Stone
Song To the Siren - This Mortal Coil
She Said Yeah - the Rolling Stones
Feed the Trees - Belly
Cindy Tells Me - Brian Eno
Suspicious Minds - Elvis Presley
The Ship Song - Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
Train From Kansas City - the Shangri Las
Motor Away - Guided By Voices
Teenage Kicks - the Undertones
Land - Patti Smith
Damaged Goods - Gang of Four
Maggot Brain - Funkadelic
Belle - Al Green
Who Knows Where the Time Goes - Sandy Denny
I Believe - the Buzzcocks
Teacher, Teacher - Rockpile
Mona Lisas and the Mad Hatters - Elton John
Autumn Stone - the Small Faces


Not that many canonical songs but largely canonical artists. A very very mixed bag.

I wouldn't have voted for it.


Yeh, that would make a good double album


Works better as a double EP though:

Side 1

Just My Imagination - the Temptations
People Get Ready - the Impressions

Side 2

Heroes - David Bowie
Pressure Drop - Toots & the Maytals

Side 3

Stand! - Sly and the Family Stone
Suspicious Minds - Elvis Presley

Side 4

Song To the Siren - This Mortal Coil

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Postby Snarfyguy » 15 Feb 2006, 23:30

beenieman wrote:Works better as a double EP though:

Side 1

Just My Imagination - the Temptations
People Get Ready - the Impressions

Side 2

Heroes - David Bowie
Pressure Drop - Toots & the Maytals

Side 3

Stand! - Sly and the Family Stone
Suspicious Minds - Elvis Presley

Side 4

Song To the Siren - This Mortal Coil


Except you've chosen all the wrong songs, beenie!
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Postby beenieman » 15 Feb 2006, 23:33

Snarfyguy wrote:
beenieman wrote:Works better as a double EP though:

Side 1

Just My Imagination - the Temptations
People Get Ready - the Impressions

Side 2

Heroes - David Bowie
Pressure Drop - Toots & the Maytals

Side 3

Stand! - Sly and the Family Stone
Suspicious Minds - Elvis Presley

Side 4

Song To the Siren - This Mortal Coil


Except you've chosen all the wrong songs, beenie!


Can't I count on your vote for my list then?

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Postby LeBaron » 16 Feb 2006, 03:13

Dr Do-Good (is here) wrote:Did someone say stultifying? Too bloody right - we're getting left a turgid selection; one in which the lowest common denominator will win out on the basis that it offends least number of voters.


It is a vote with the winner to be selected by the majority. No? I believe that the winner will have to do more than offend the least number of voters.

I have already shouted the truth from the mountaintops. What the fuck do you want me to do, etch it on some tablets?

El Baron wrote:The winner is, inevitably, the one with the broadest taste who also happens to be able to read the crowd and give them what they want. One can't just spout out popular tunes and win, round after round. Fascinating, really.


El Baron wrote:You've got to push everyone's buttons, which is more subtle and less facile than it seems.


Jeff K's list from last year is excellent and does exactly those things. That beenieman doesn't like it is prima facie proof of that.

My "true" list if I am somehow "honest" with myself would probably be almost 100% honky tonk with some power pop and a Faces or ZZ Top song thrown in. Would I submit that list? Hell no! Not if I'm trying to win. !
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Postby beenieman » 16 Feb 2006, 03:27

El Baron wrote:
I have already shouted the truth from the mountaintops. What the fuck do you want me to do, etch it on some tablets?

El Baron wrote:
The winner is, inevitably, the one with the broadest taste who also happens to be able to read the crowd and give them what they want. One can't just spout out popular tunes and win, round after round. Fascinating, really.


El Baron wrote:
You've got to push everyone's buttons, which is more subtle and less facile than it seems.


Jeff K's list from last year is excellent and does exactly those things. That beenieman doesn't like it is prima facia proof of that.

My "true" list if I am somehow "honest" with myself would probably be almost 100% honky tonk with some power pop and a Faces or ZZ Top song thrown in. Would I submit that list? Hell no! Not if I'm trying to win. !


That beenieman doesn't like it is prima facia proof of that.


Good point, well made.

As for the list being excellent it's just that it looks like it could have been composed by the editors of Mojo at their weekly Friday night drinking session. It's not so much that I don't like it, or disbelieve that Jeff K loves it, it's more that I don't like what it is. It seems, prima facie, facile. It's obviousness, the sense that it panders (though I accept it was not compiled to so but an honest summation of Jeff's favourites) grates somehow though it truly does include many tunes and artists that I rate.

And given the origins of this Board it's easy to see how it won.

We all hope though that our particular individual list will come as a lightning bolt revelation to everyone else as they scan it and sense the brillance of the choices made and the inner quality of the man who made them. Well I do.

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Postby mentalist (slight return) » 16 Feb 2006, 04:47

My problem with Rain is that I prefer the other side to that single, Paperback Writer, one of Paul's greatest. If anyone includes Paperback Writer they may well get my vote. Unless the rest of their stuff is crap.
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Postby Diamond Dog » 16 Feb 2006, 09:51

mentalist (slight return) wrote:My problem with Rain is that I prefer the other side to that single, Paperback Writer, one of Paul's greatest. If anyone includes Paperback Writer they may well get my vote. Unless the rest of their stuff is crap.


If they choose "Paperback Writer" over "Rain", it most probably will be.
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Postby Tonto Papadopoulos » 16 Feb 2006, 09:59

Diamond Dog wrote:
mentalist (slight return) wrote:My problem with Rain is that I prefer the other side to that single, Paperback Writer, one of Paul's greatest. If anyone includes Paperback Writer they may well get my vote. Unless the rest of their stuff is crap.


If they choose "Paperback Writer" over "Rain", it most probably will be.


oh don't be silly. they're both great.
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Postby Diamond Dog » 16 Feb 2006, 10:02

EverythingButTheGiraffe wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
mentalist (slight return) wrote:My problem with Rain is that I prefer the other side to that single, Paperback Writer, one of Paul's greatest. If anyone includes Paperback Writer they may well get my vote. Unless the rest of their stuff is crap.


If they choose "Paperback Writer" over "Rain", it most probably will be.


oh don't be silly. they're both great.


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In other words an extended look into *******’s head, and it seems to have some pretty good things in it (who among us is totally free of mental garbage?) It’s nice to see that he is confident enough so he can play some blues again,I’d like to hear more.

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Postby Jeff K » 19 Feb 2006, 02:44

Note to Beenieman and all the others who considered my list too "canonical"...

Next time I'll pick songs I don't like, okay?
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Postby beenieman » 19 Feb 2006, 20:30

Jeff K wrote:Note to Beenieman and all the others who considered my list too "canonical"...

Next time I'll pick songs I don't like, okay?


No one's asked you to do that.

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Postby marios » 19 Feb 2006, 20:34

Jeff K wrote:Note to Beenieman and all the others who considered my list too "canonical"...

Next time I'll pick songs I don't like, okay?


Make sure they're canonical though. :lol: