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Re: what's trending this year?

Postby Rayge » 22 Jan 2014, 09:14

Just to clarify, that's your opinion, not Dionne's style.

Cilla Black doing Anyone Who had a Heart was pop, and extremely bad foghorn pop at that: DW's voice is pure church-bred soul, and her performance on Heart is exquisite.
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Re: what's trending this year?

Postby pcqgod » 22 Jan 2014, 19:22

Daft Punk
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Re: what's trending this year?

Postby Count Machuki » 23 Jan 2014, 15:54

pcqgod wrote:Daft Punk


God yes, why.

And re. Dionne, it's Bacharach Building Brillo Pop
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Re: what's trending this year?

Postby kewl klive » 23 Jan 2014, 19:24

Stuck for time? As a rule whatever list F. o. W votes for is the shit one.
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Re: what's trending this year?

Postby kewl klive » 23 Jan 2014, 19:46

For the 10th consecutive year - Funkadelic! More hateful than Zappa even.
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Re: what's trending this year?

Postby funky_nomad » 23 Jan 2014, 23:12

Count Machuki wrote:
pcqgod wrote:Daft Punk


God yes, why.

It's not so much that Daft Punk are being picked, it's that all the selections are from the wrong Daft Punk albums...
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Re: what's trending this year?

Postby never/ever » 23 Jan 2014, 23:17

In conjunction with Daft Punk (latest album)- Nile Rodgers.
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Re: what's trending this year?

Postby Mike Boom » 23 Jan 2014, 23:20

watch all the Baby Huey and Daft Punk dissappear in Round 2

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Re: what's trending this year?

Postby pcqgod » 24 Jan 2014, 02:02

What about all the Monkees?
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Re: what's trending this year?

Postby Rayge » 24 Jan 2014, 09:19

Count Machuki wrote:Dionne, it's Bacharach Building Brillo Pop

Nope. Pure church-based soul performance.

Still, we both like it, so let's leave her with the last word

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Re: what's trending this year?

Postby Beetee » 24 Jan 2014, 10:52

Dionne.. I love her dearly. But lets not get crazy and call it soul. Ok lets call it california soul

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Postby Rayge » 24 Jan 2014, 12:28

Beetee wrote:Dionne.. I love her dearly. But lets not get crazy and call it soul. Ok lets call it california soul


As far as I'm concerned, she was my introduction to soul back in the early 60s when everyone seemed to agree that it was a new vocal performance style created by the application of church singing tropes – call and response, open-throated vocals, testifying, passion and praise, melisma – to secular material, as pioneered by Sam Coook, Ray Charles (and Margie Hendricks) and pre-funk James Brown. Dionne and DeeDee Warwick were in the vanguard along with other female church alumni such as Marie Knight, Betty Harris, Maxine Brown and Irma Thomas. They often sang pop songs, but the performance wasn't pop. Just listen to the rawness of Don't Make Me Over.

It was only later in the decade that the term was generally applied to all music of black origin with shouty, grunty or screamy vocals, even though quite a lot of that owed more to the entirely secular R&B singers of the 60s, and there was a lot of historical revisionism against those early soul vocalists who had lusher arrangements involving strings and melodic, rather than farty, horns. I however, was set in my ways. It's not that I automatically dislike R&B ballads and southern funkiness, it's just that I don't always hear much soul in the vocals, and I tend to view funk in particular as an instrumental style and genre, an adaptation of R&B with the R elevated above the B, which could have soulful vocals over the top, but not necessarily.

Oh, and Dionne is from a New Jersey gospel family, the Drinkards, and recorded songs by a couple of New Yorkers for a New York label, so I'm not sure where the California thing comes in.
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Re: what's trending this year?

Postby der nister » 24 Jan 2014, 12:42

Context is everything.

There are many acts that once moved to another country
take on a different context, we see this with many 76-83 UK acts
that get labelled punk/new wave.

That being said it probably would be hard to find many in the US
who would label Warwick soul, despite her church beginnings
and most of the grunting and screaming heard in 60s soul would have its
origins in the hard gospel quartets of the late 40s and throughout the 50s
with Archie Brownlee and the Five Blind Boys of Mississippi and RH Harris' Soul Stirrers
being the two the most influential
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Re: what's trending this year?

Postby Beetee » 25 Jan 2014, 00:09

Rayge wrote:
Beetee wrote:Dionne.. I love her dearly. But lets not get crazy and call it soul. Ok lets call it california soul


As far as I'm concerned, she was my introduction to soul back in the early 60s when everyone seemed to agree that it was a new vocal performance style created by the application of church singing tropes – call and response, open-throated vocals, testifying, passion and praise, melisma – to secular material, as pioneered by Sam Coook, Ray Charles (and Margie Hendricks) and pre-funk James Brown. Dionne and DeeDee Warwick were in the vanguard along with other female church alumni such as Marie Knight, Betty Harris, Maxine Brown and Irma Thomas. They often sang pop songs, but the performance wasn't pop. Just listen to the rawness of Don't Make Me Over.

It was only later in the decade that the term was generally applied to all music of black origin with shouty, grunty or screamy vocals, even though quite a lot of that owed more to the entirely secular R&B singers of the 60s, and there was a lot of historical revisionism against those early soul vocalists who had lusher arrangements involving strings and melodic, rather than farty, horns. I however, was set in my ways. It's not that I automatically dislike R&B ballads and southern funkiness, it's just that I don't always hear much soul in the vocals, and I tend to view funk in particular as an instrumental style and genre, an adaptation of R&B with the R elevated above the B, which could have soulful vocals over the top, but not necessarily.

Oh, and Dionne is from a New Jersey gospel family, the Drinkards, and recorded songs by a couple of New Yorkers for a New York label, so I'm not sure where the California thing comes in.

well lets see um...i know.. she owes the state of california 3 million in back taxes ? :oops:
i guess you have a point. she doesnt even know the way to san jose

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Re: what's trending this year?

Postby Rayge » 25 Jan 2014, 09:28

Beetee wrote:well lets see um...i know.. she owes the state of california 3 million in back taxes ? :oops:
i guess you have a point. she doesnt even know the way to san jose


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Re: what's trending this year?

Postby Loki » 10 Feb 2014, 16:44

Is there actually a backlash against obscure lists/songs? Seems I'm seeing quite a few comments.....

In my first Cup (2011), there was a general cynicism against 'obvious' songs (as there still is, but) and obscure songs were lauded, whereas this year I'm seeing things swing back around somewhat...? And it also seems like there are more 'safe' choices this year..?

I realize this is inherent in the evolution of the Cup, but I'm wondering if it has something to do with the decreased interest people have about putting more time into the contest.
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Re: what's trending this year?

Postby Copehead » 10 Feb 2014, 17:13

Loki wrote:Is there actually a backlash against obscure lists/songs? Seems I'm seeing quite a few comments.....

In my first Cup (2011), there was a general cynicism against 'obvious' songs (as there still is, but) and obscure songs were lauded, whereas this year I'm seeing things swing back around somewhat...? And it also seems like there are more 'safe' choices this year..?

I realize this is inherent in the evolution of the Cup, but I'm wondering if it has something to do with the decreased interest people have about putting more time into the contest.


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Re: what's trending this year?

Postby Loki » 10 Feb 2014, 17:52

Hey, I spent longer than that. I'm just sensing a backlash this year.

Now it could be that my head is fucked up.....just wondering if anyone else noticed.
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