kraków and Konin (Poland)
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kraków and Konin (Poland)
Heading over for a few beers and i think there's a wedding on as well . Sightseeing in Krakow and wedding in konin.
Any do's and don't's? Any good suggestions?
Any do's and don't's? Any good suggestions?
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What Griff said.
Schindler Factory is a superb museum-definitely worth a visit.
Cafe Camelot close to the main square is wonderful for food, booze and is open till late.
The Royal Castle and the cathedral are pretty impressive. As is St Mary's Basilica on the main square. If you have any vestigial Catholicism in your soul, you'll probably love it.
Just wander and enjoy. It's a magical city, and very walkable.
Schindler Factory is a superb museum-definitely worth a visit.
Cafe Camelot close to the main square is wonderful for food, booze and is open till late.
The Royal Castle and the cathedral are pretty impressive. As is St Mary's Basilica on the main square. If you have any vestigial Catholicism in your soul, you'll probably love it.
Just wander and enjoy. It's a magical city, and very walkable.
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What Pippa says really. Walk walk walk . Go into the churches and be amazed. Make sure you have a look around the castle grounds, even if you don't have time to go inside. beer is cheap everywhere, and food is too. Go in the cake shops. Don't bother with the tour bus, the roads are terrible, and you can't really see anything. Krakow is wonderful.Just make sure you take your walking shoes, as it is the only way to see it all.
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Salt mines.
I kept thinking "swim as far as you can, swim as far as you can".
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Plus, Krakow has this!
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One of the bains of East European cities these days is Stag and Hen party culture. Utter fucktards staggering around the place, only interested in the price of beer, and behaving appallingly. In the long run I am sure they do more harm to places like Prague than they do good. One of the really good things about Krakow was that there did not appear to be any signs of such willful misbehaviour.
And I wouldn't mind, but recent surveys suggest that even the people who go on these wretched charabanc trips have a miserable time. Who wants to get dragged around a strange town in a stupid costume just because the beer is cheap? Only a complete drone.
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My friend who is getting married told us that that he blocked booked a tour of the concentration camps. It will be tight viewing but a necessary viewing in some ways.
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I know some people think they should visit such places but I've never quite understood the whole visiting Auschwitz thing.
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Goat Boy wrote:I know some people think they should visit such places but I've never quite understood the whole visiting Auschwitz thing.
I don't know, a ground experience of sorts? Take you out of your own bubble to let you know what can happen in the world? Might have a different effect on different people.
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But I know exactly what can happen. I just don't want to be in a room where thousands died, where people literally shat themselves in fear and where the scratch marks of terrified souls scar the walls, you know?
"Great tour! Now where's the gift shop?"
I just find it a bit...odd
"Great tour! Now where's the gift shop?"
I just find it a bit...odd
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Goat Boy wrote:But I know exactly what can happen. I just don't want to be in a room where thousands died, where people literally shat themselves in fear and where the scratch marks of terrified souls scar the walls, you know?
"Great tour! Now where's the gift shop?"
I just find it a bit...odd
You're correct it is odd, but for whatever reason i want to see it.
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Goat Boy wrote:But I know exactly what can happen. I just don't want to be in a room where thousands died, where people literally shat themselves in fear and where the scratch marks of terrified souls scar the walls, you know?
"Great tour! Now where's the gift shop?"
I just find it a bit...odd
I couldn't agree more. You've articulated exactly how I feel about it. When I went to Budapest, my friend and I were waiting to board the plane, and there was a middle-aged couple behind us, who were really chatty. They said they often liked to do a last-minute city break from Bristol airport, and said they'd most recently been to Krakow. When I said I'd been too, they asked if I'd been to Auschwitz. I said no. The woman's reply was " Oh, it's not as bad as you think it's going to be"....
There was so much in that statement that astonished me, I couldn't think of anything to say, so my friend, who is socially much more polite and adept, managed to pick up the conversation.
I don't want to be part of some mass tourist "experience" that trundles round these places. What happened was unimaginable. You can't understand it, you can't grasp it - personally, I never want to be able to understand it. What fitting wisdom or insight could you possibly gain from gawping at a gas chamber, or a lake that was filled with people's ashes?
Perhaps I'd feel differently if I had Jewish ancestry; I don't know. I think it's right that Auschwitz is kept as a memorial, but there's something - for me- dubiously voyeuristic about visiting it. No matter how many times I go back to Poland, I will never, ever go to see it.
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I went. I had very missed feelings about it but I saw as a kind of pilgrimage - a paying of respect. I'm glad I did. You are right when you say that you can't grasp it though, it is incomprehensible.
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Goat Boy wrote:I know some people think they should visit such places but I've never quite understood the whole visiting Auschwitz thing.
And even weirder is the way the tour salespersons try to pressure you into going. We were constantly being jumped on by young people, who, whilst beaming amiably, asked in a cheerful voice " hey, you want to go to Auschwitz?" And we really did not want to go. We did the the bus tour which was only remarkable in it took you to a place where there were a thousand garden sheds and beautifully attended allotments. About two miles out of town. Krakow is its own reward. A lovely town, full of questions, and not overly restored yet. The places where it is crumbling are just as nice as the places where they have renewed things to the point you would never know they were old. And the castle is brilliant.
It really is a great place for a long weekend though, whether you feel the need to see the camps or not.
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Pat O'Banton wrote:Goat Boy wrote:But I know exactly what can happen. I just don't want to be in a room where thousands died, where people literally shat themselves in fear and where the scratch marks of terrified souls scar the walls, you know?
"Great tour! Now where's the gift shop?"
I just find it a bit...odd
I went to pay my respects and to reflect. And to acknowledge that it happened. It felt important to go.
Pippa and I disagree about this, but I'm with you on it.
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Goat Boy wrote:But I know exactly what can happen. I just don't want to be in a room where thousands died, where people literally shat themselves in fear and where the scratch marks of terrified souls scar the walls, you know?
"Great tour! Now where's the gift shop?"
I just find it a bit...odd
I understand what you're saying here, but I went to Auschwitz in 2009 and the air was heavy with the history of the whole thing. The vast majority of the people we came across were respectful and overwhelmed by the situation, and those two imbeciles gleefully taking photos soon knew the score when the ex-Heiferette launched down their throats. It's an important thing to experience in my opinion.
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It's interesting, for fuck's sake.
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Brian Cox's Forces of Nature is interesting.
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They do an amazing gluten-free Kielbasa on the concession stands, worth a trip in itself.
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