Who are you going to vote for?

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks

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Re: Who are you going to vote for?

Postby Beebsy » 09 Mar 2010, 13:06

River Man wrote:
Beebsy wrote:
River Man wrote:There's more coming out about this story. It would be interesting to get Beebsy view. Is there a fear that a Tory government could scupper the power sharing deal in NI or is this a marginal issue. I can't see how such a partnership can help as the other parties will accuse the Tory government of bias.

The issue is more that the Conservatives know they need Unionist support in the event of a hung parliament. They also know that there are fewer people more conservative than old-style Unionists. So given that the Ulster Unionists are a party of rapidly-fading power and that there are Unionist voters that would never vote for the Democtatic Unionist Party (DUP), Northern Ireland is ripe to welcome the mainland Conservative party as an alternative to vote for.

Given that, the Conservatives are edging their way into Northern Ireland with an electoral pact with the UUP.

Regards Justice and Policing, the deal will go through regardless of whether the UUP vote in favour or not. The hope was that all parties would vote in favour of devolving the powers of policing and justice to the Northern Ireland Assembly from Westminster. This seems unrealistic to me - a true democracy does not need everyone to vote the same way.

Bush's intervention and that of others has done nothing more than back the UUP into a corner. They don't like being told what to do; they still imagine themselves to be a party of real power. Cameron will not intervene for exactly that reason - he can't afford to anger them.

It's an odd issue for Bush to choose to intervene in but I imagine that he was prompted to do so by the Conservatives to give the UUP an assurance that they are stilll a part of power. Cameron can publicly spurn what he may have privately prompted. The Unionists get their ego massaged, Cameron looks like a leader of moral stature and Bush is a disposable voice - well known enough to get attention but with no influence on the world outside his ranch.

Do you really think Cameron has come out of this well? Does he look like a leader of moral stature or an opportunist who will do anything to get power? It looks to me like he is anything but a safe pair of hands to help guide the rest of the process. I'm sure the other parties are very suspicious of this special relationship. Just what will they agree to every time they need the UUP to support a Westminster policy. Even if they don't make backroom deals the other parties will suspect they have.

Well I probably should have said, "thinks he looks like...".

No, it's very poor wheel-dealing and if the Conservatives get in, it could adversely affect the peace process. He is thinking of the long-term future of the Conservative party and not the implications for a part of the country long-written off as ungovernable anyway.

All this on the first anniversary of the murder of Stephen Carroll - the first policeman to be murdered by the Continuity IRA.

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Re: Who are you going to vote for?

Postby Deebank » 09 Mar 2010, 17:38

I think getting into bed with the UUP is a mistake.
Sure they can bolster the tory vote in Parliament, but not enough to make a pact with with unpopular (deeply unpopular in the wider UK) bigots worthwhile. It adds weight to the disquiet about the band of quazi-neo-nazis and catholic (oh the irony) extremists they're already in cahoots with in Europe. It adds up to a pretty nasty (party) picture.

I saw the Dipatches prog last night and was... unsurprised.
It was interesting to see the flip-flopping over the economy put into perspective. On the one issue that currently matters (the economy stupid) they really haven't a clue.
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Re: Who are you going to vote for?

Postby The Great DeFector » 09 Mar 2010, 17:53

is footy not running this year?