"slaughter animals in a humane way"

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks

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Poll ended at 12 Nov 2023, 13:19

Vegan (for over 20 years)
0
No votes
Vegan (for less than 20 years but more than 5 years)
0
No votes
Vegan (for less than 5 years)
0
No votes
Vegetarian (for over 20 years)
3
19%
Vegetarian (for less than 20 years but more than 5 years)
1
6%
Vegetarian (for less than 5 years)
0
No votes
Pescatarian (for over 20 years)
0
No votes
Pescatarian (for less than 20 years but more than 5 years)
0
No votes
Pescatarian (for less than 5 years)
0
No votes
Carnivore (all my life)
9
56%
Carnivore (for over 20 years but not all my life)
0
No votes
Carnivore (for less than 20 years but more than 5 years)
1
6%
Carnivore (for less than 5 years)
0
No votes
Dabbler (all over the bloody place!)
2
13%
 
Total votes: 16

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Re: "slaughter animals in a humane way"

Postby copehead » 31 Oct 2023, 15:48

Not a carnivore but an omnivore, but I got the meaning.

Cut down on meat eating as my partner is basically veggie, although she does eat fish too occasionally. Eat it far less than I used to at home, but when I go away to sea I tend to eat a low carb high protein diet that includes a lot of meat.

What has changed is that, largely due to foreign cuisines, vegetarian food is often just as tasty as meat these days and we will often go to veggie friendly restaurants like Nopi ( Yotam Ottelenghi ) for preference rather than to "appease" any veggies amongst the party. I cook a lot of veggie food at home because it is bloody smashing.

I use a good butcher who has well sourced meat from decent farms, but that is because I am relatively wealthy and I can afford to spend a premium to do that, if I was less wealthy I would still probably eat meat as I like it and I have few, if any, ethical qualms about eating meat, I just prefer it if the animal was reared and slaughtered in as humane a way as possible.

Humans have always eaten meat but I can see the reasons for not eating meat if we don't need to, I just don't accept them as personally valid. If grown meat ever got to be indistinguishable to reared meat I would probably switch but then there will be no reason to keep animals anymore and they will become extinct, these animals only really exist in their current forms because we rear them for food.

I try and eat a lot of game, rose veal and offal too, as these tend to be the meats that ends up in landfill because too few eat it and there is nothing ethical about that it is wasteful and disrespectful to the animal.

Can't see myself ever going meat free, I like meat, the missus does not like the taste or texture so is a veggie for that reason rather than ethics, although she has banned me from cooking kidneys in the house ever again.

I don't think they smell that bad myself and they taste lovely.
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Re: "slaughter animals in a humane way"

Postby copehead » 31 Oct 2023, 15:54

The Modernist wrote:
souphound wrote:
Six String wrote:How many humans can say they live a life that doesn’t cause the death of some animals? Just because we don’t have machines that can hear it, who’s to say carrots and leeks don’t scream when they get ripped out of the soil? It’s a slippery slope.


Very close to my line of thinking. There's so much we don't know and so little we can perceive and understand.


well I think we know vegetables are not sentient and don't have nervous systems like animals.


Where do you stand on things like oysters? No real nervous system, they react to stimuli like light and chemicals but so do plants.

After that it is just a slippery slope, would you kill a really stupid sheep to eat it?

I'd probably kill a lamb with a PhD because I like lamb ribs done over charcoal too much, I'd probably shoot it from a distance when it wasn't aware of the danger though.
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Re: "slaughter animals in a humane way"

Postby Samoan » 31 Oct 2023, 16:13

Where are we on the slaughter of small insects browsing for sustenance amongst a small group of plants in certain habitats but global nevertheless ?

Plants are considered carnivorous if they have these five traits:

.capture prey in traps
.kill the captured prey
.digest the captured prey
.absorb nutrients from the killed and digested prey
.use those nutrients to grow and develop.

Other traits may include the attraction and retention of prey. [Wiki.]
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Re: "slaughter animals in a humane way"

Postby Six String » 31 Oct 2023, 17:53

The Modernist wrote:
souphound wrote:
Six String wrote:How many humans can say they live a life that doesn’t cause the death of some animals? Just because we don’t have machines that can hear it, who’s to say carrots and leeks don’t scream when they get ripped out of the soil? It’s a slippery slope.


Very close to my line of thinking. There's so much we don't know and so little we can perceive and understand.


well I think we know vegetables are not sentient and don't have nervous systems like animals.


Maybe not sentient as we are but who’s to say carrots don’t have some sort of system by which they can sense things and respond? Just because we don’t have a machine that can detect it? There are a lot of things we know about animals and plants today that we didn’t know 200 years ago.

On a related topic, anyone notice we have much fewer insects in the modern world? It used to be difficult driving between here and San Francisco in the farming areas without the windshield collecting splattered bugs. What caused that? My money is on humans, both vegetarians and omnivores.
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Re: "slaughter animals in a humane way"

Postby Minnie the Minx » 01 Nov 2023, 21:27

No meat since I was 13-14 and I've spent long periods (months at a time) eating vegan. I don't really care what other people eat and I'm happy to eat at a table with meat eaters. I think I'll probably end up vegan eventually, because those are values I believe in and aspire to. Kudos to those that have done it.
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Re: "slaughter animals in a humane way"

Postby Neige » 02 Nov 2023, 19:10

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I said dabbler because I identify with the omnomnomnivore... in a nutshell, I'd try anything, but I do my best to eat consciously (no fast food, no prefab stuff, nothing of dubious origin..
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Re: "slaughter animals in a humane way"

Postby C » 04 Nov 2023, 17:59

Australian Adam Zampa bowled, fielded and batted brilliantly today against England

I note he is a vegan and appeared in adverts for PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals)

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Re: "slaughter animals in a humane way"

Postby Samoan » 04 Nov 2023, 18:45

The above reminded me of an old TV interview/cook-in with Jamie Oliver and guest starring Usain Bolt who was delightful, serving customers and having larks but then they got serious and when Jamie asked the meat question, Bolt replied along the lines of serious track athletes trying to keep their vegetarian beliefs & striving for world class and Olympic level but without meat in their diet, it just doesn't seem to happen. That was Bolt's perspective at the time anyway.
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Re: "slaughter animals in a humane way"

Postby trans-chigley express » 13 Nov 2023, 14:51

Carnivore/omnivore. I eat pretty much anything but I try my best to avoid factory farmed meat even if it means paying a lot more for it. I don't eat a huge amount of meat but I do love it. I love vegetables too and eat lots of them but I would miss meat if went vegetarian.

I avoided meat when I lived in Turkey after coming down with food poisoning a few too many times when I first moved there. I've also avoided meat whenever I've gone trekking in the Himalayas as the meat there is carried into the mountain villages on foot over many days and is not in the best condition when it arrives in the kitchen, so it's vegetarian all the way till I return. The vegetarian food is great but after several weeks I do find myself craving some meat.

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Re: "slaughter animals in a humane way"

Postby trans-chigley express » 13 Nov 2023, 14:52

C wrote:





I think I'll have a dosa for lunch...

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Further reading [Dosa Food]:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dosa_(food)







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That looks lovely.

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Re: "slaughter animals in a humane way"

Postby trans-chigley express » 13 Nov 2023, 14:53

trans-chigley express wrote:Carnivore/omnivore. I eat pretty much anything but I try my best to avoid factory farmed meat even if it means paying a lot more for it. I don't eat a huge amount of meat but I do love it. I love vegetables too and eat lots of them but I would miss meat if went vegetarian.

I avoided meat when I lived in Turkey after coming down with food poisoning a few too many times when I first moved there. I've also avoided meat whenever I've gone trekking in the Himalayas as the meat there is carried into the mountain villages on foot over many days and is not in the best condition when it arrives in the kitchen, so it's vegetarian all the way till I return. The vegetarian food is great but after several weeks I do find myself craving some meat.



I didn't vote as the poll has ended

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Re: "slaughter animals in a humane way"

Postby C » 13 Nov 2023, 18:45

trans-chigley express wrote:I didn't vote as the poll has ended


S/he who hesitates is lost...



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